Thread: K-Rudd Poll tomorrow for leadership

@Nightcrawler
"dark age for Australia"

The dark ages will come to Australia irrespective of who is in power or not. We rely heavly on purchases of Gas,Iron Ore, Resources from China. China has reported this month and last that they have had huge drop in orders from the USA and Europe. The shipments of iron ore are down 4%, and the prices have been falling for some time now, but has not been reported on the news only that our house prices are secure as gold.

The PIGGS in Europe look like that they all invested heavely in the US house market, and currently are carrying more than 30% GDP of debt. Bec the countrys in the European Union gave up their option to inflate/default out of debt when they joined the European Union they're basically now held hostage to make huge significant cut back on Goverment spending. The EU has basically given up on Hungary, its down the shit hole. Over the channel, you have the same situation with the UK but ultimately because they never joined the EU and the Euro they have complete control over their currency, and such can inflate their value of their dollar out of their debt problems, where in the EU they cant. Though, they also have announced huge spending cuts to rain in the national debt.

Now, onto another point. The only way a COUNTRY can have GROWTH well AT the same TIME reducing spending and paying down debt is if they have a net positive export. The only country that does have that in the Euro or UK is Germany.

So in short, no matter what political leader gets into power, we rely on the rest of the world. Considering the rest of the world is amass of debt, and heading for a debt deflation, there is very little difference any leader is going to make. Just who will fuck up the most.

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

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Liberals are the only chance we have of pulling ourselves out of the shit.

I lol'd.

I honestly struggle to understand how anyone can vote for the ALP again.

Expect a nice fat fine if you don't enrol to vote and do it this year Lenko - they have been advertising it heavily.

Umm think you may have mis-worded that. If you don't enroll and have never been enrolled they can't fine you because your not on the electoral. How ever if you're enrolled or just enrolled then yes if you don't vote a fine will be waiting for you.

I just e-mailed my enrollment in yesterday in hopes they process it before the 8pm deadline. I plan on voting for the greens. I know they will never win but hopefully they will gain a few more seats to at least influence the next party in power (even if it is Labor). They oppose the internet filter and that's the only thing Labor have a disagreement with me in. Being the selflish fucker I am I don't care much about anything else than the internet filter. Unless something affects me it doesn't bother me.

All Australian citizens 18 years and older are required by law to enrol and vote in federal elections, including older Australians.

I haven't been enrolled for the last XX years. Will I be penalised?


If you fill in an enrolment form now, you won't be penalised.

Where a person may have overlooked the responsibility to enrol and vote, the AEC's main interest is to ensure that eligible people do actually enrol.

Section 101 (7) of the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 states,

"Where a person sends or delivers a claim for enrolment, or for transfer of enrolment, to a Divisional Returning Officer or an Australian Electoral Officer, proceedings shall not be instituted against that person for any offence - committed before the claim was so sent or delivered."

This means that once a person gives the AEC a completed enrolment form, we cannot prosecute the person for not enrolling before, no matter how long he or she has technically been in breach of the law.

Therefore you can be assured that anyone who may have overlooked correct enrolment in the past and who decides to now enrol to vote a federal elections may do so without any fear of incurring a penalty.

Enrolment

Voting is Compulsory
• The Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918, under section 245(1), states:
”It shall be the duty of every elector to vote at each election”.
• Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling
place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and
take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it
in the ballot box.
• It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been
upheld by a number of legal decisions:
�� High Court 1926 – Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
�� Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 – Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
�� High Court 1971 – Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
�� Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 – Krosch v Springbell; ex parte
Krosch [1974] QdR 107
�� ACT Supreme Court 1981 – O’Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13

http://www.aec.gov.au/pdf/voting/compulsory_voting.pdf

Yep Jay is right about his post. Thats why i enrolled. The problem is, AEC isnt fussy and particularly harsh if you havent enrolled. They usually just send some Aec guys to your place to register you etc. Alot of my mates and former teachers havent enrolled and havent been fined at all.

Basicly a good anology is, Do you buy a parking permit and not get fined OR dont buy one and a possibility of you getting fined.

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

Liberals are the only chance we have of pulling ourselves out of the shit.

If you think that EITHER of these parties have a clue you need your bloody head checked out.

*NEITHER

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

Stimulus to the schools = 5x blowout of budget - $1,000,000 being paid for tiny school rooms that should have cost $200k to build etc etc).

Incorrect. You cant take one example of the BER projects and then make a blanket statement that the entire budget has gone 500% over. That's just stupid. My company has been involved in over 70 projects. None of which that I am aware of has gone over budget by more then 10% and then only a handful. I personally have been involved in about a dozen and half of those have had items cut form the plans to bring them back into budget. Others have had things added as they were under.

Oh and one more thing, Voters decide where to place their preferences not the parties. If you couldn't be bothered to fill in the card fully and want to let your party of choice move the votes on then that's your choice.