shaping sucks Nads

35 public posts in this discussion.

Post 1

Im a bit miffed with the whole 'shaping' concept.

We are currently with Internode and on a 12Gb Plan.
we have 53% of our monthly days left and 51% of our cap left (12gb).
However, internode consider this plan an 'unlimited' plan and therefore it goes under the shaping rule.

The thing that shits me most, is that statistically speaking, we are downloading our allowable daily average, yet they drop our download speeds to 27Kbps.
I hardly think thats fair, considering that we are attempting to use our 'cap' at a VERY reasonable rate. Hell, any slower and we would be WASTING our cap.

I can understand shaping being necessary for people who abuse their downloads and go over their 'cap', but why should i (a person who uses his monthly quota VERY rarely) be penalised.

At 27kpbs, i will be hard stretched to hit the monthly limit.
Granted, i may download nothing for a week, then blow two weeks 'budget' in a single week, but i still dont feel as though people should be penalised for this, considering that we are merely using our alotted download.

Meh.
shaping sucks balls.

Post 2

Hmm, that really does suck.

Here's hoping they're not doing that to me aswell :\

Post 3

Pay for a premium unlimited plan instead of shaped. Much better.

Post 4

wtf?

You should only get capped when you hit 12 Gb. Im on the same plan and I can use as much as I want whenever I want up until the total reaches 12Gb for that billing period.

Sounds to me like you have flatrate and unlimited (premium with shaping) confused. Either that or you have a line fault.

Post 5

my ISP has better shaping :D

Quote from "www.arach.net.au":

Rate-limiting slows the speed of your DSL connection down to 96 kb/s for data downloaded between 100% and 150% of your traffic allowance, and to 64 kb/s for any further data downloaded. It does not affect your DSL connection's upload speed. Rate-limiting only affects the period in which the traffic allowance has been exceeded. Traffic downloaded from WAIX or servers on Arachnet's free list is not subject to rate-limiting.

:D

http://www.arach.net.au/products/broadband/adsl/hyper/

EDIT: o, and i got 512/128kbs 16/16gb plan

Post 6

Agree with ment.

I dont get shaped till I go over my 32gb a month

Post 7

I dont have shaping and Unlimited confused

Quote from www.on.net:
Our Unlimited (shaped) plans can also be ordered as Premium plans, at the same price points.

Unlimited plans ARE shaped.
I am on the PADSL-512-Unlimited-Red (which is shaped) with a 12gb cap.

I am currently getting around 27kbs per second, whereas last week was recieving the full 52kbps. I have definately been shaped on nodes end.

I would move over to a premium plan, however i am moving house and its not exactly worth the hassle.

Post 8

I get 8GB from 8am to 10pm and 10pm to 8am i get 8GB aswell
swiftnet split it into on and off peak times
i pay 5 bucks for a gig over in any peak period. but i dont usually go over

Post 9

Telstra unlimited "19.00
average 35 gig a month over last 3 months
no shaping
no halts
just pure data flying in at 110k/s or therabouts (mind u i think after seeing Overdrives speed im gettting the raw deal there somewhere, but seeing as i havent paid for it yet, all is good)

Post 10

Node 32gb 1.5M Plan - Premium "09.95

Average 30gb / month.

you are getting a raw deal Eater.. i get 130-150k/s

Post 11

PADSL-512-Unlimited-Green 32GB for me.

i was shaped 2 days ago, luckily i only have another day or so left in my billing cycle (i hope)

Post 12

its depends on ur location to ur data speed, thats just how ADSL works at times :(

Post 13

Get 160K/s EVERY TIME, 24/7

Post 14

PADSL-1500-Unlimited-Blue "49.95 1500k / 256k 64 GB (and yes i do use 64 gig a month ) lol..

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Post 15

180 kb/sec any time :).. i live like 700 metres from exchange though :) depends what site :P.. nodes site i get a nice 170 - 180

Post 16

Ozemail 1.5mb 12gig shapped... once 12 gig is reached its meant to slow down... but my total so far this month stands at 36840.78 Mb and i am still getting 160k/s though i did stop serious downloading over a week ago.

Post 17

lol go aaron :P ehehhe

Post 18

It's technically impossible to get over 160K/s on a 1.5meg plan korny - sorry mate. Get some better reporting tools...

Post 19

hmmmmm maybe its counting network traffic aswell :S

Post 20

Yeh Korny your shit :P

Post 21

Milenko am da shit :D

Post 22

Korny the first 5 secs of your download arent real dood :)

It might start at 180-200 ish but after 2 mins the speed its running is the normal/max :)

Post 23

i wouldnt say that,

average speed for a 256/64 ADSL connection averages around 25-26 kbps, but sometimes it reaches up to 35 at a constant speed, it really depends on the bandwidth a website offers.

Edit: My ADSL is 256/64 ( :( ) but I have reached high speeds downloading from certain sites.

eg. Eve of Destruction MOD - (I did check all of this out)

GameArena: 25 - 30 kbps

FilePlanet: 28 - 33 kbps

GamersShell: 30 - 35 kbps

Post 24

no, actually, it depends on the file contents being transferred, and if they are already compressed or not. uncompressed data may be compressed during transfer, artificially inflating your transfer rates so they appear more than they actually are.

text files are a good example of data that will transfer higher than your theoretical limit, because of compression.

you could be transferring an mp3 from an oc256 link and your 256/64 dsl would not approach 35 kb/sec. 27, maybe 28, definately not 35.

Post 25

well i know i was recieving a file from internode @ 180 1 night was going down and up :P from 175

Post 26

Milenko,

If you haven't downloaded your assigned quota and are being shaped, log a fault. thats not normal.

How much have you downloaded since your last roll over date?

Post 27

About 6gb. Our plans reset on the 13th of each month. So roughly 3gb per week. Which is right on track with our unshaped limit. (12gb plan).

I might give em a call, just to let them know in case this is also affecting other people.

Post 28

who cares u are moving out :)

Post 29

Quote from MenTasM:
thats not normal.

who cares.............

MenTasM does :D

Post 30

Thankyou Paladin :)

Post 31

i love you milenko :( shhh dun tell anyone hey...

Post 32

Of course he won't, you just did it for him.

Post 33

Perhaps you should switch to iiNet's unlimited plans.

For instance, I pay $80 p/m for 512/128 unlimited. There is shaping, but it works like this:

First 32 gigabytes download are unshaped, no matter what. After that, you are only shaped if the network is kind of overloaded, for a short time, and only if you're in the top 10% of downloaders during that period, at progressively lower speeds ie. 256, 128 etc.

I think some of the lower price plans are also under the same 'unlimited' features, so you might want to take a look at it. Fast churn support is being dropped in two weeks though, so if you're interested, you might want to investigate soon.

Post 34

Quote from paladin:
no, actually, it depends on the file contents being transferred, and if they are already compressed or not. uncompressed data may be compressed during transfer, artificially inflating your transfer rates so they appear more than they actually are.

text files are a good example of data that will transfer higher than your theoretical limit, because of compression.

you could be transferring an mp3 from an oc256 link and your 256/64 dsl would not approach 35 kb/sec. 27, maybe 28, definately not 35.

Correct. You can download at an apparent 8k/sec on a 56k connection while tranferring uncompressed data. Don't kid yourself and think you can actually downoad that fast, however.

Post 35

i wouldn't post it if it wasn't correct ;)