Future of SB

Post to guage whether we should fold the clan and join the active players up to the alliance.
Or to kick on and see what happens come Xmas time when everyone is a bit less busy and has some moer free time.

Post your interest level and anyone else that doesnt post here whether they play or not or their status.

Mine: Prob not playing until after Xmas, C4 Burnt out.

:mad: :( just confused but i will stay around till c4 for seiges and some raids

After getting back from holidays, things haven't been the same for me. I logged on a few times but even at a lowly lvl63 i don't really think i'm up for another year(at my rate) of grinding to become 75. I had awesome fun at the siege tho, but really to compete with the high end of the server(which is what i wanted) takes alot of time and dedication on your character. Also i'm not spending anymore money on L2 and have always refused to be powerleved.

Also(as a result of us having a good time on holidays) my woman has asked me to change my ways a bit and not spend so much time online, why do woman want attention from their partners? As if eating dinner and having sex isn't enough 'us' time?:p :p :p

It urks me to see it diminish, but the point and members seem to be few and far between, I give it till c4 and after xmas and this might renew most members, also take into account the time of year is pretty full on with holidays, relies visiting, so count me in and see what c4 brings... thats what the mrs told me to do rather than just throwing a year of charachter grinding away...

Good to hear UNI, would be bad to see you leave

*Sigh* sux to see this happen

I'm off work for quite a while so no dont think I'll be giving lineage up till maybe after february.

You guys are right the grind is a killa, but if your in a good clan with full parties happening xp'ing isn't really that bad, in a duo at 67 I still get maybe 5% an hour and now I do quests and stuff at the same time so it's not that bad.

I'm enjoying crafting and overenchanting now, got some demon fangs up to +13 but broke going for +14 so said fkt and made my BoP +6.

I dont need to purchase adena, I can craft and make enough money to do whatever I want just takes a little bit of time to get the stuff I need. Almost finished another BoP which im gonna sell then make some A grade equipment.

If you guys dont come back soon I was just gonna change clan because frankly it blows not being able to xp unless I solo/duo, the whole point of this game is to group but I understand it's hard without a good party.

Hopefully C4 improves things but I cant see that happening, I really enjoy our alliance because most of the Revolutions are good guys, but I dont think i'll move to one of the other clans simply for the fact they all buffbot as well. Honestly I miss my days in Draco knights, we all parties/xp'd/pvp'd/pk'd regularly and the clan helped each other out in a big way, I dont think I'm gonna find that again but I'll for sure as hell keep looking.

I log on most days even if it's just to set up shop, dont xp everyday the grind is a killer, I've got no fkn idea how on earth people make it to 75 but it is possible and I've got till end of feb I reckon before I have to start working again.

Log on and say hi if I dont reply it's cause im AFk as shop.

And for all you pussies on the private server, sure it's fun but I dont think it will last anywhere near as long as the real thing does/did.

I agree reaper it wont last as long as the real thing, but doesnt it make you think, does it really make a difference? do you really need to spend so much time on a game? i didnt even make it to 40, but im already have 100 times more fun on a p server than i have did on retail.

maybe lvling to 75 in a month and pvping to death and getting sick of the game is good for you, and for your real lives? after all your life will exist a long time before any game does, and planning for it should take priority over everything else, i know people that have done nothing but play computer games and all its done is waste time and they wonder why they cant stop because all they have done for 2 years is play a computer game and forgot how to live life. its all relavent to each situation. but getting sick of computer games is the best thing i have ever done. unfortunately im not that sick of them yet :P

Ps. i just got back from a christmas party and are possibly drunk.

Thanks for the post Gratzz,

The problem with MMO's as opposed to all sorts of other games where you kind of get everything given to you and just crack on for fun, is that ppl put in RL hours and lots of them to set up play support systems.

The reason I call it a play support system is that once the clan is large enough and has framed the way it wants to operate in some sort of policy then it will be able to "support" all the different play styles that are out there within the limitation of the overarching clan policies.

These play support system begin with the formation of a clan and encompass all sorts of policies and rules which ppl are obliged to adhere to IOT move everyone ahead as an entity. Because its group based commitment MMO's are almost like pyramid schemes. IOT treat ppl fairly you have to keep the scheme going to ensure that everyone gets something for their effort. In MMO's such as EQ1 and what not, this was achieved through raiding. There was never enough loot but if you kept coming evenually you'd get something. L2 was intended to be the same way. Everyone needed to pool mats and stuff and crank out gear for all members who'd have to be set up in some priority order. Schedules and timmeframes need to be established IOT give ppl visibility of when they would be eligible for stuff and these lists would have to be constantly tweaked based on member participation. Its a hell of a lot of hard work and much of it is a thankless taks... I know :) !! This requires diff levels of organisational commitment beyond the log on and shoot em up types of games. Many hrs go into the admin of such support systems, but ultimately the reward is in a stable and vibrant guild structure. These invariably only exist as long as the interest in the MMO and the active participation of all the members concerned. Unfortunately because none of this was ever put into "official" SB policy, ppl had nothing to reference and there was never 100% trust as to the distribution and management of the mats/crafted goods.

The ability to buy adena online has negated the need for such a clan crafting structure. In a game which relies heavily on consumables and the ability to equip oneself we essentially bypassed a critical step in the foundation of a clan structure. This in itself is a sad thing because whilst noone says that a little help from IGE or MMOShop doesn't ease the pain we would have fared much better had we gripped this up from the start.

Regrettably I have come to realise that most of you guys simply do not subscribe to this style of play. Given L2's emphasis on the need to maintain not only a self sufficient/sustaining economic model but also governing it wisely to enable the XP/levelling game, SB has become burnt out on the latter because we failed to establish the former.

My hats off to you guys for giving it a go and allowing me the opportunity to be a part of SB.
I can say that I will miss all of you leaving the official servers in pursuit of other games or versions of L2.

My intent in the meantime is to stay in the clan untill either Anda or Gratzz give a me a definitve idea on what it is that they are going to do.
I suspect that we may see a resurgence of interest when C4 launches, however I'd prefer if we had some serious soul searching WRT clan longevity rather than keeping ppl strung on.
I have recently acquired a copy of BF2 which I need to set up so that I can play on whichever server SB plays on, (still have some tech issues here )and hopefully I should be able to keep in touch this way should we part company in L2.

As as mentioned to Gratzz initially wish that I had more time to influence the clan building process more directly but because my time behind the keyboard is very limited and I would not do any justice to the process. The other overriding factor was that, I've had my time in the lime light with EQ1 for 5 years its time for others to have a crack at the job.

I look forward to your response fellas, but if the decision is to part ways then good luck and crack on and I'll catch up with you guys in BF2.

Cheers
Elly

yeah i am with elly on this

except i dont have bf2 at all yet to come say hi!

I know zurk and quiet a few others have already left which is their perogative they will be joinig one of the alliance clans however elly and I are waiting for shall we say a more formal decision from the leaders before the next step

Why dont you just do L2X as the main game ?? lvl quick .. enjoy the game more ..

and its free so more people (friends) like me may get involved more. no grind.. just enjoy the game for what it is??

Im not techinally part of this discussion however just throwing forward an idea.

I am going to do both and see what C4 has instore for us, cause i have put like nearly 1-1/4 years into my toon and cant bring myself to end it (not to mention a little help from mmoshop.com :p )

just use common sense, it will end eventually. the less effort spent into the "grind" part of the game the better. i dont care who you are, grinding isnt fun, its the rewards that are.

Although sieges do happen...they probably wont be as good, and the servers arent as good, but apart from that its the same game but better.

i can understand how putting years and lots of cash :P IGE fairy is very handy, can be hard to do.

and plus, l2x will most likely have C4 at exactly the same time as retail.

I just hit lvl 50 - and loving it .. Why ?? because I play a few hours a night lvl a few times a night and its enjoyable.

The light is always bright at the end of tunnel ..

One thing that turned me off the original of the game was that, to play / party and be with mates and friends you had to pretty much go off on your own for a long period of time and then come back and see them ..

now with this mod, I can hang with the whore Coco and Lync .. and party with Mark.

It makes it all that more enjoyable to be playing and running with somebody else .. instead of just beating stuff up by yourself ..

Thoughts?

you guys have all missed the point of what mmorpgs are about ... the destination of level 75 is not the fun part allhtough rewarding ( cant see how its rewarding on a 35x exp server) . The journey is the game!

The biggest problem as i see it was that people wanted best item off the bat as soon as they were able to use it and had nothing to work towards as far as crafting goes as everything was "purchased".

Yes the grind is long but it needs to be otherwise you wont get necessary mats to craft the high level items.

Vary hunting spots takes away some of the drag of grinding .

Make groups to exp in / that means pro actively make a group dont always expect someone else to do it for you.

This game is not about instant gratification if it were everyone would have already quit.

35 X servers are fun and a nice little diversion for me, with my 1 hour a day I can actually do something.

Games are meant to be fun, there is nothing fun about killing the same mobs 2000 times to get 10% of your level and then repeat it every day

Thats the part I got burnt out from, i'll be back after Xmas sometime.

Until then i'm playing games for fun again.
My life atm is a lot better without L2Retail.

here here scott,

now that im playing l2x and giving wow a break (not that i played that much, i only played that a few hours a day) its got me excited about playing a game, working 50+ hours a week doesnt help me in any type of mmo(get this, christmas is included as one of my RDO's :/), because most need ALOT of time invested. i need to start doing more things in life, and not wasting my time playing a game all day, a games intention to be a bit of fun to get you away from real life stress and working, not for it to BE your life, which is what i found myself doing a few years ago.

and lets face it, to reach level even level 40, requires a hell of alot of time, and the "journey" doesnt have much to it. even crafting isnt that hard, instead of killing mob after mob after mob for adena, you kill them for mats instead. wow has a bit more, questing is 90% of leveling, instances, different cities etc, but its still essentially the same.

FPS's are even worse, you dont get anything other than stats. (and an anger management problem :P)

Gratzz, Anda any thoughts on the way ahead ?

you dont feel that you are doing anything in the time you are playing on l2 because you are not working towards any particular goal. As for gratzz your not having fun because you were too busy crafting for everyone else rather than letting them do some of the resource gathering themselves.You were so busy trying to craft for everyone else you werent partying for fun.

Yeah part of that is true Spear, prob a contributing factor to why im not on atm.
The most fun i had in months was that little party on toi7 with you and giner and lex.

Atm the following are on Holiday

Olib
Glor
Stormie
Wacked

I dont think anda is coming back ever.

Myself and headache are just taking a break.
I'll prob be back on retail boxing day

as i said i while back im gone but im trying to keep the clan till c4 in a vain hope i can swap it over to some one. once this is worked out move the clan stuff and sell /give my stuff away close accounts down. till then i will be on for seiges or if some one need something out of the clan wh.

No worries Anda, thanks for the heads up. I don't think you guys need to be flogging a dead horse here. If L2 just does not bang your drum anymore then its time to move on and find a game which provides you with entertainment and not frustration.
I hope you guys enjoy L2X but do pop in from time to time onto the live server if finances permit. I know most ppl will not be able to afford multiple logins for multiple characters.

Spear, Mog, Mess, and I will drop clan today and we'll either roll into Industry or make up another clan and PL it to lv4 so that we can join the alliance
We have 5 days to think it over anyway.

I'll e-mail Irreverance and find out what he would like me to do.

I don't think NC will allow the handover of clan anytime soon Anda so I guess clean out the warehouse and SB can stay as untill such time as you don't want to pay for the account.
I don't think it will impact the alliance in any way as there can be up to 17 or so clans in an alliance. There is no indication that theBlu will move SB out of the alliance regardless whether the currently active players shuffle around or not.
In this way the guys who wish to hang around a bit more can still siege, raid and make cameo appearances as it suits their circumstance.

Thanks again for a great 9 months of gaming. Take care guys its been a blast

Regards,

Ellyrion

Thanks for the good times dudes. Was fun while it lasted.

Anda, send me a PM when you are on and I will pass back the demon set you have lent me for ages.

Gratz I have 2 items of yours aswell D grade weapon and something else i can't remember. Send me a PM and we can arrangene a trade.

Big thanks and keep on dancing dudes.

Mog - still a noob

mog dont bother good luck

if elly does decide that a new clan is the way he wants to fly all actives are welcome to join us those that are inactive i hope one day to get BF2 and visit :)

I am sure elly is already thinking about policies and systems to make things go smoothly.

I would be easier for us to join the other clans however i dont think they are as casual as what people are in SB and would personally like to keep it cosy and friendly. At the same time however we need to forge ahead and not become complacent.

Good luck guys :)

Cyas around Aden then :)