Vista Workshop: More RAM, More Speed | Tom's Hardware
thought some of you poofs might be interested :)
Vista and 8GB of RAMM
35 public posts in this discussion.
Post 2
Interesting... Like the fact that its pointless going to 64bit to get the extra .5 or whatever ram out of 4gig as you lose it with the increased size of a 64bit OS. Basically, only way I'll go 64bit is 8gig an up :) There - just justified getting 8gig ram :)
Post 3
Damn even after that article I'm still undecided.
32 bit -> 4gb ram
64 bit -> 8gb ram
decisions, decisions.....
Post 4
The more monitors you have on your PC the more you think you have multiple PC's running those monitors. 8 ftw.
Post 5
Good read.. i gotta upgrade my ram was going to do it at tax time..
Post 6
My Computer
8GB of this.
Core 2 Quad Q6600 (I don't overclock due to past experiences but I've gone to around 3.4GHz)
Thermaltake V1 (CPU cooler)
8800 Ultra OverClocked edition
Windows XP x64 Edition
1TB+ HDD Space
4 x LiteOn 20X DVD/RW drives
ASUS P5N32-E SLI motherboard
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Willing to host servers at LAN's. =P
Post 7
ouch. How do you feel that both of my 8800GT's whoop your 8800 Ultra?
-Just shit stirring
Post 8
Quote from PapaDom;340172:
ouch. How do you feel that both of my 8800GT's whoop your 8800 Ultra?
-Just shit stirring
in a bad mood today there dom?
probably got 12000 in 3dmark06 six times in a row!!! /takes cover
Post 9
how do you feel that he could run dual monitors without sacrificing performance?
Post 10
Quote from paladin;340174:
how do you feel that he could run dual monitors without sacrificing performance?
i could as well, im just lending out my other card ;D
but.. i would need a new mobo to run them both XD (2x8800gt)
Post 11
Quote from dragon xr;340173:
in a bad mood today there dom?
probably got 12000 in 3dmark06 six times in a row!!! /takes cover
Nah, I was up till about 1am playing CoD4 on the 360.
Damn ranking system.
Post 12
*cough*
I'd love to go the eight gigabyte path, but the kits that are coming on the market aren't really easily available, or are still being priced out too far here in Australia. Now that Crucial have switched to their higher density chip on their Ballistic series, we might see some reasonable prices come up for performance RAM.
Post 13
are you talking 2 x 2gb kits (4gb), or 2 x 4gb kits (8gb)? ddr2 or 3?
Post 14
Quote from dragon xr;340175:
i could as well, im just lending out my other card ;D
but.. i would need a new mobo to run them both XD (2x8800gt)
If memory serves, you can't run a dual monitor set up on an SLI configuration.
pretty much the only reason I don't have one, as I love to have crazy crazy desktop space.
Post 15
Quote from dragon xr;340175:
i could as well, im just lending out my other card ;D
but.. i would need a new mobo to run them both XD (2x8800gt)
sorry, my comment was directed at papadom. you can't run dual monitors & sli - you need to disable sli to use two monitors.
the single card will do two monitors fine :)
Post 16
Quote from paladin;340178:
are you talking 2 x 2gb kits (4gb), or 2 x 4gb kits (8gb)? ddr2 or 3?
DDR2... 2x2gb kits... They're out there, but until recently (and even somewhat now) they're still limitted in one way or another (ie, speed wise, and reliability in performance from an overclocking perspective). While 8 Gig kits are available, for me, I'm hanging out until the 8500 rating can be hit reliably at Cas 55515 ratings.
Post 17
I have Kingston HyperX 8500 and it chugs along at 4-4-4-12 with no problems.
Post 18
At 1066? Are you sure? I've not heard anybody getting numbers like that. (At 800 yes, and a little higher).
Post 19
so what would be better, overall, 4GB of 1066, or 8GB of 800?
Post 20
imo. quantity before speed.
Post 21
interesting. most other things is always quality before quantity, but then again what would i know about ram :P i used to like RD Ram. so i pretty much struck out right there.
Post 22
note i didnt say quality, i said quantity vs. speed. low quality ram is too hit and miss as to whether it will actually be error free or not. if you multitask much, you will notice the difference between 2, 4, 8 GB of ram more than you'll notice the difference in ram latency.
Post 23
It depends what you're doing with it. I fold, which responds better to lower latency then to quantity. On the other hand, pretty much for personal use (ie if you don't care about folding) then quantity is usually much better.
Post 24
yeah i realise you didnt say quality, but usually the higher the quality, the higher the speed. im not about to go and buy generic ram....again.. :P
Post 25
Quote from paladin;340260:
note i didnt say quality, i said quantity vs. speed. low quality ram is too hit and miss as to whether it will actually be error free or not. if you multitask much, you will notice the difference between 2, 4, 8 GB of ram more than you'll notice the difference in ram latency.
Otherwise put: the difference between 800 and 1066 RAM is as nought compared to the difference between any RAM and going to the harddrive for swap.
Of course it doesn't help that Windows is tuned to be swap happy, but more RAM can never hurt.
Post 26
Just from personal experience in floating point and latency viewpoint... 800-4-4-4-12 vs 1066-5-5-5-15, the later comes out on top by a fraction. (this also was proven at a DGA last year where it resuled in a slightly higher score by about 200 points alone, over the 153xx points I got. It's not a huge jump by any means in regards to 3DMark (because that's the points I was talking about sorry), but it is a difference.
My point is this, low latency is not for everybody, and while it's nice for everybody, it's not always necessary. When you start to get into graphics (high resolution stuff that requires quite a bit of processing) the difference can be made in the time it takes to process things.
Real world example? I load up lightroom, and apply a set of filters to a group of 16bit DNG's (note that 16 bit refers to the points in each channel, in other words, Red, Green and Blue channels each have 65536 individual representations.) Lets say on average that it takes 30 second per image processing time, assuming you don't hit the memories limit, your latency is the biggest issue. The lower the latency the faster you'll be able to get through it (as in circumstances such as this it seems the memory is a bottleneck).
If you're batch converting it could be the difference in getting something in on time, or having to spend an extra hour on it (very rarely, but you never know).
Post 27
and then you alt tab to photoshop or bridge or illustrator and the disk crunching when it swaps back into ram negates the speed benefit you got from the higher latencies.
basically if you want to use your computer for more than one thing at once, size > speed. if you want epeen extension, go for speed.
Post 28
Wicked, saved me lots of money then :) i was going to get 1066, which is alot more expencive :P
Post 29
Its like $30 more...where the shit are you buying your ram?
Post 30
more like "00, but whatever, i get your trying to be the funny troll :P
Post 31
Crucial is best bang for buck at the moment.
Post 32
I always liked Geil, always cheaper than corsair and never had any problems.
Post 33
Quote from HeReTiC;340312:
more like "00, but whatever, i get your trying to be the funny troll :P
I cant find the 4gig kits of 8500 but to compare:
HYPERX 800MHz(PC2-6400) DDR2 2GB KIT (2x1GB) CL5 (5-5-5-15) - RRP "39
HYPERX 800MHz(PC2-6400) DDR2 4GB KIT (2x2GB) CL5 (5-5-5-15) - RRP $389
HYPERX 1066MHz(PC2-8500) DDR2 2GB KIT (2x1GB) CL5 (5-5-5-15) - RRP "59
Now assuming the price scales the same for the 4gig kit, which there is no reason why it shouldnt, then a 4gig kit of 8500 should cost about $445 so about $50 difference.
Thats RRP too, actual price would be a fair bit cheaper.
Post 34
Maco Technology -- 4GB DDR2 Geil PC-6400 800MHz Dual Channel CAS 5-5-5-15 (2x2GB)
i'll probably just get one of them for now :P might get another 4 later. dont want to be too greedy. it's like. stupid how cheap this shit is.
Post 35
Ram what a wonderful thing.
I am now fairly confident that my Vista install is chugging because of the lack of it. Only have 2gigs for Vista x64 Ulti.
EVGA | Installation Guides is the only list they give me that is as close to a QVL as i can find.
P/N for the board is 122-CK-NF63-TR
Manual http://www.evga.com/products/pdf/680i%20manual.pdf
Spec Sheet http://www.evga.com/products/pdf/122-CK-NF63.pdf
Looking at G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK sticks or Corsair TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF sticks. The G.Skill sticks are smaller and will fit under my RAM cooler but the twinx ones are the high ones where you have to get the Twinx cooler for them. I like my current cooler as it has bigger and faster fans than the Twinx cooler.
What i am wondering weather they will work with my MOBO or they wont.