latency issues

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Post 1

ok with there being official news that all the AION servers are on the east coast of the states, meaning an increase of latency by 50-150 (massive issue in a PVP game) a thought occured to me.

playing wow i used a piece of software to help drop my latency by like 400 called freecap(only seemed to work for internode ISP users, or can someone clarify if they used this for westnet?).

lowerping.com has the info for freecap and wow, and the internode website has a ling to the software d/load somewhere.

i've done some searches and cant find anything like this for AION that is free, i've found a few that make u pay for it, but they ask roughly the same price as your monthly subscription for the game itself, so potentially doubling your monthly gaming costs to get the same experiance as someone living in the US.

Anyone seen anything?

Post 2

I used to do this when I was playing.

I was using programs like FreeCap / ProxyCap but we might come accross a problem with the silly ncsoft laungcer...

In the end launching wow through proxycap was a pain and sometimes bugged out I went down the lines of building a linux proxy at home which all intenet trafic went through. If it was data going to any of the wow servers through the wow ports it would bounce it through my slicehost in the states. I had then pings of 250 - 400 max and no lag spikes or noticeable differences to the proxy offered by internode.

I'm going to do this setup again when I remake my linux box again and I'll let you guys know how / what to do.

Post 3

i never had any issues with freecap but i did have a few mates that had all sorts of trouble with it.

nice to know dude, im sure if you need anything or any help most of us playing trhe game will be willing to chip in to get our latancy down by a chunk.

Post 4

Internode's wow gateway server (and similar ones like lowerping) was built because of blizzard having a flaw in their netcode, and because they prioritised US traffic over all others.

If aion doesn't do that, then the gateway won't achieve anything.

Post 5

Quote from Harbinger;369760:
Internode's wow gateway server (and similar ones like lowerping) was built because of blizzard having a flaw in their netcode, and because they prioritised US traffic over all others.

If aion doesn't do that, then the gateway won't achieve anything.

from what ive read AION seems to have the same "flaw", there are posts on AION source from people that payed to use the system like lowerping during the beta for an improvment of upto 250ping.

not 100% proof i know but worth the thought at least.

Post 6

Lower WoW Latency - PC Online - Gaming

^^ some of the original threads linked there.

Post 7

I'm guess they wont worry at least untill retail. and who knows what kind of an impact our latency will have?

We will just have to play retail and then make judgements on how bad it is.

Post 8

Quote from HeReTiC;369765:
I'm guess they wont worry at least untill retail. and who knows what kind of an impact our latency will have?

We will just have to play retail and then make judgements on how bad it is.

if you take a look at this thread you'll understand my worries.
some of the differences will be game breaking for high end PVP if we are vs'ing US players.

Information For Ayase Re: Oceanic Latency Issues - AionSource.com

Post 9

eeew it was bad enough in PVE :/ reminds me i must try pvp in champions to see what the latency is like there too.

Post 10

yeah i understand what you're worrying about, played plenty of mmo's with shit pings, but all i'm saying is they just wont do anything untill after retail is out, too much on their plate. if you want to ask the dev's, you can directly on twitter, and they do actually reply.

and this issue has been brought up 100 times to NCSoft, so they definately know about it. but if they don't do anything, someone will come up with something and probably post it on the official forums after it comes out.

and what lenko has mentioned before will help with our pvping, about 20ish oceanic legions have all put their names down to roll on the same server, so a massive community will be on the same server, and we will most likely be playing with guys with the same issues.

Post 11

good to hear bout the DEVs replying, cept twitter is gay shit.

yeh the AUS legions all rolling same server will be a good thing, original post was more just to find if anyone knew of a system like freecap for AION.
But if lothar is guna work out something i spose that answers my question anyways.

Post 12

yeah but NCSoft should do something. posted something to ayase on twitter Quote:
@aion_ayase Is anything being concidered for the oceanic community? Eastcoast servers will make our pings 400-500 :( Information For Ayase Re: Oceanic Latency Issues - AionSource.com

Post 13

cool, let us know if you get a reply dude.

Post 14

if its the same issue as wow had, you can use socat on a linux router/vm to do what internode/lowerping do. And then you dont need to muck about with freecap (which may **** with gameguard)

Post 15

Has anyone managed to get a lower ping type application to work with Aion on Windows 7 64bit? I've been reading and the apps that work like Widecap and Lowerping apparently done work with this version of Windows 7...

Post 16

Peope have been having issues with SSH applications in general.
If you are with Internode though; their free tunnelling service has been expanded to include Aion by default.

Just hope that our Oceanic server selection makes them move the server to teh east coast for us!

Post 17

do you need to use any apps to take advantage of that Milenko or is it just so.

Post 18

Ahh damn, not playing from Aus at the moment so guess I'll have to wait until one of the apps is compatable. thanks for the info Lenko

Post 19

Games On Net • View topic - Internode Gateway

Post 20

i'm using node gateway with proxycap, and I've got down to 350-400 or so average from 800

Post 21

I was getting better ping when it was on the east coast.

Post 22

anyone know one of those that works for westnet users?
750 ping is annoying me

Post 23

is there somewhere on the node site that details how to set that up?

Post 24

Games On Net • View topic - Internode Gateway

Look for the post by 'Hex'. Its the one with the screenshots

Post 25

legend, thanks Josh :)

don't spose they have a list of games supported by this??

Post 26

Is proxycap free or do we have to pay a subscription for that too?

Post 27

Ratty - Westnet also have a setup similar to Node, however it's based in Perth and to the best of my knowledge it only works for WoW. There's talk about the possibility of getting an East Coast server setup to make this viable for people outside of WA.

Longtom - Proxycap needs to be purchased. Though it's only an application that allows other applications to work through a tunnel, there's a few alternatives out there. Figured you got this? but just in case, access to a proxy server as such will still need to be paid for or obtained by other means.

WoW Tunnels works for Aion, I used this for WoW and was good, was only $6 for 3 months so it's dirt cheap. Will be updating my subscription again tonight so if any questions feel free to ask away.

Post 28

Thanks Jono, understood all that :)

Post 29

yeh cheers jono

Post 30

playing last night, the dodgy ping wasnt anywhere near as noticeable as it was in beta. very nice.

Post 31

For some of you guys that dont have internode as your ISp.
Theres currently a free tunnel service that is offered at the moment.
Lower your Ping with SmoothPING

No idea when it might become not free to use but for the mean time its the best alternative to anything.

Post 32

jumped the gun mate

Quote:
Signing up with Smoothping is fast, easy and 100% safe. It's also FREE TO SIGN UP! We don't ask you for a credit card or any type of commitment. You are signing up for a free trial account. A trial account is restricted to 20 minutes of continuous play, so after 20 minutes, you will be logged off WoW.

Post 33

Quote from Ratty;371057:
jumped the gun mate

That only applies to the wow tunneling

Post 34

A small update on the iinet/Westnet proxy
3FL Gaming Network :: View topic - Request for Aion proxy server

Post 35

I have only gotten back from Broome on Sunday night.

Longtom - Proxycap / Freecap are a couple of programs that basicly run on your PC and direct all traffic of a certain program (ie in our case Aion) through a specified Proxy (eg internodes wow gateway, which is now configured for aion also)

If you look hard enough you can find a few versions on the usual places. Hit me up on steam and I'll find a link for you.

Post 36

smoothping.com

started using it last nite, ping went from 800+ down to 300-400.

its on a 30 free trial atm, but if it i dont find something free i will pay the $6 a month for the added awesome of this, unless u try this u wont see the difference it makes.

your chain skills go off every time, healing is less of a pain if u cast in time u know it will land instead of lagging out and being too late...

after setting it up last nite i told a few of the guys to and now 5-7 of us are using it lol

Post 37

Quote from Ratty;371338:
smoothping.com

started using it last nite, ping went from 800+ down to 300-400.

its on a 30 free trial atm, but if it i dont find something free i will pay the $6 a month for the added awesome of this, unless u try this u wont see the difference it makes.

your chain skills go off every time, healing is less of a pain if u cast in time u know it will land instead of lagging out and being too late...

after setting it up last nite i told a few of the guys to and now 5-7 of us are using it lol

15 minutes of your time and you can make your own. But $6 is pretty cheap i guess

Post 38

I just set up a linux box using socat and iptables then routed all my 7777 traffic from windows to the linux box.

doubled my ping, glided off a pillar, rubber banded back onto the pillar, fell off, cooldown wasn't complete, died.