Amatuer Photography

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Post 1

I know there are a few people on the boards here who fancy themselves a bit of weekend photography.

Last year I got a Lumix TZ15 and recently have been playing around with long night exposures. It's only a Point-n-Shoot handicam but it takes some pretty nice photos.

I'm looking at buying myself a good entry level to mid-range dSLR camera and I was wondering if anyone can put me on to something good. Anything up and around the $2k price mark.

I am particularly interested in night (as mentioned) photography and long exposure photography, so anything suited to that purpose. I've noticed that my current camera has alot of noise in darker areas of my photos and apparently dSLR's do not suffer this issue (to the same extent); hence my reasoning to move into the dSLR field.

I did two semesters of photography in High School (who hasnt) so i have a very basic understanding of SLR functions and settings.

I would also be interested to know if any experienced, Darwin based photographers are willing to take me under their wing with a bit of advice from time to time. Perhaps even go on a shoot every now and then.

I'm posting from work at the moment (naughty) but I have a few photos ive taken of the kinds of images I'm looking at capturing in the future. I will post them up when I'm home in a few hours.

Any help, advice or mentoring greatly appreciated.

Edit - added said photos.

Post 2

The two big factor that causes noise in low light is compression and pixel size. Most dSLR support RAW and varible compression settings so not a big issue them. Pixel size is a function of the number of pixels and the size of the censor. This is generaly where cheep camera go wrong and its all thanks to consumers who have be trained to ask for big megapixel counts. You are better off with a lower pixel count with a larger sensor for low light work. High pixel counts are only an advantage when you have enough light. Now while I don't have much experience in still photography myself, I know with video you almost never have enough natural light.

Post 3

milenko wanting to sneak around with a camera at night, how utterly unexpected =)

Post 4

Hey Lenko,

My advice would be to go with a Canon EOS 500D or something similar but more importantly get lenses with the Image Stabiliser. I have a canon 450d and when combined with an IS Lense, have seen excellent results in low light, its just a matter of playing around with the settings to make sure that your exposure and film ISO settings are right. I've got some really nice night shots around somewhere here, I will see if i can dig them up for ya to look at.

My other suggestion is definately get a tripod as well as a cabled remote so that you can stand back from the camera to take your pics (as to reduce any chance of even the slightest movement when taking the photo).

In terms of where to buy, I would strongly recommend these guys https://www.camerasdirect.com.au/index.php/cameras/dslr-cameras/canon/eos-500d-new.html they have the best prices and their service is awesome.

Personally I can't believe that the new model 500D is out with dual IS lenses for "600. (might be time for an upgrade).

Well that's my $0.02 worth...

Cheers,
Kernal

Post 5

That's awesome Kernal thanks much.

Post 6

The D90 is one of the best choices you could make if you're keen on night photography, as it out-performs virtually all of its competitors in the price point - that's one of the reasons I bought it.

Body + 18-55 VR lens kit for around about "400 now.

Post 7

I agree with Kernal, Canon 500D is a really good entry level SLR. I recommended it to a friend not long ago and he couldn't be happier.

As for night shots higher ISO = less image quality (pixels etc), so if you can help it shoot at a lower ISO with longer exposure. But this leads me to another problem which is "hot pixels" caused by long exposures (30sec +). These are a little different tho as they are quite static, and i know canon camera's (I have a 40D) have a long exposure noise reduction feature in the menu that takes a shot after yours with the shutter closed and removes any pixels that show up.

For my night shots I use a tripod, canon TC-80N3 remote, Liveview (prevents mirror slap) and a good quality high aperture (3.5 or higher) lens, but as with any lens prices can range from normal to omg expensive (my current lens is ~$4000).

I'll try and remember to post a few photos I took earlier on in the week then I get home

Also forgot to add that the remote has a timer function that works really well for night shots as you can set it to take a shot every X seconds of X seconds for X amount to shots. So i'll use it to take a few and pick the clearest/nicest, or i'll take a heap of long exposures and string them together into a time lapse movie.

Post 8

I'll comment after I finish my exam Milenko but I do have a few things to add. Willing to take you under my wing for a bit if you like too. ^_^

Post 9

I ****ing love that photo Mordin - it's the kind of thing I'd love to shoot. The info on hot pixels was handy too - just did a bit of reading on them :D

The 500D is looking good too.

Lookin forward to your posts too Steve - and yay for mentor :D

Post 10

Quote from Milenko;369977:

I did two semesters of photography in High School (who hasnt) .

um.... me :P

Post 11

um... me

I really like recs ones of europe. It makes me want to learn how to take good shots with my 5.4 dSLR instead of only split speed sports shots :s

Post 12

I've never studied photography in any way shape or form - I just like it.

Milenko; browse through my photo albums on Facebook for examples of D90 night shots (lots during my Europe travels, the ones Psyave talks of).

Post 13

Oh and a select few posted here: http://www.gamers-underground.com/forum/general-discussion/30543-travel-talk-share-your-thoughts.html

Post 14

Personally in your case Milenko, I'd suggest the 500D (the newest entry level from Canon). The reason isn't so much because of favouritism, but simply because it has a few more features which I think you'll prefer in the long run.

However, that's coming from a Canon user... There are a few questions you really need to ask yourself though.
1. How far are you planning to go with Photography? Are you happy being a happy snapper, going semi-pro/artist (to the point where you might have a few photos sold and have an exhibition?) or do you hope one day to go full pro, do weddings or full commercial photography?
This is an incredibly vital question you need to answer for yourself, because it's going to influence you down the track, what you pick up now.

In reference to the above here's where the market stands right now:
Pound for Pound, Nikon and Canon have about the same pull professionally, with the numbers going to Canon, but respect definantly pulling Nikon ahead. All things considered their pro line stuff is pretty much on par, with each taking the lead in areas, but no real clear definition between them.
Canon have a history of producing extremely good bodies in the pro line, and their white lenses are renowned as the best in their respective ranges. They do however have significant issues producing wide lenses of high quality (not build, but image resolving). However, do not frett... Canon have recently made huge strides in just the last 6 months.
Nikon have a history of also producing extremely good bodies, though their longer telephoto lens lineup doesn't live up to the awe of canons, not to say they're worse quality though... They're not. They do however have a good history of listening to what the photographer wants and enabling it on the camera. They're wide lenses though are revered, especially their recently released 14-24 (which I have adapted for use on my Canon and credit where credit is due, it's better then ALL the primes I've used in the same range, even from Nikon).

Mid range line, no question would now belong to Canon, only due to very recent developments (as in the last 24 hours) but it's turbulent waters, and change often occurs here. Nikon held a definitive advantage (bar resolution).

I'm going to stop here though... as these are the groups you'll be looking at if you want to get serious/pro level.
Understand that these camera's won't necessarily produce a better image then even the entry level camera's, but the features they have may ensure results... IE. Full frame sensor, faster shutter speeds, more FPS, weather sealing etc.
Additionally, I think it's worth mentioning Sony, who bought out Minolta, and they're making huge strides, and I personally feel we're going to see them enter the pro market very soon... This will no doubt cause a huge shake up. That said, their pro lenses are VERY expensive, even compared to Canon and Nikon.

I'm a Canon user myself, so I'll be sticking with them. So far, there's been no real reason for me to switch, and to be honest, I'll be making the move into MF before I think about switching from Canon to Nikon, at which point it'll be moot.

When you're ready to buy, let me know, and I'll help you find a good price too.

... Another worthwhile point is... Camera bodies come and go, lenses always last. It's better to get a cheaper body and a better lens in most normal cases.

Post 15

Sweet, good read there Steve.

I'm looking at doing it as more of a hobby - but whenever I do most things, I try to get the best result I can - and have fun learning along the way.

Thanks to you to rec - i was wondering what Camera you were using for those shots. Your night shots actually rekindled my interest, it's just taken me a while to do something about it (Told you im forgetful :P).l

From what's been said, the 500D sounds like my pick so far.

Post 16

Nikon D90 is my suggestion. Got the D70 atm, but really want to upgrade.

Go Nikon.

;)

Post 17

+3 Nikon d90 with 18-105vr with a 50/35 1.8 for added measure.

vanbar.com.au is where I get all my stuff from these days. Also because they're for local for me and the guys at the Carlton store are just plain awesome. catalyst on ocau forums works there and runs the ocau specials, and is usually the guy I get our stuff from. They're more of a pro store so they don't seem as marketable to most other people.

In terms of the pro market, Nikon's a little bit more friendly in that regard simply because Canon's so anal about who's a pro retailer. But that's just fluff when it's down to what lenko's thinking about.

Post 18

I personaly would go canon but thats only because I own canon video gear and plan to buy more canon video gear. Sony entering the pro camera market will be intereasting to watch as they have a realy good rep with pro video gear.

Quote from Jay;370034:
Nikon's a little bit more friendly in that regard simply because Canon's so anal about who's a pro retailer. But that's just fluff when it's down to what lenko's thinking about.
Some company are worse, we have a samsung pro wholesale account but that won't let me buy new computer monitors for all our desktop PCs.

Post 19

I ended up going with the 500D.

I talked Wow Sight n Sound down from "990 to a smidge under "600. Not a bad effort!
I got the twin IS Lens kits that are floating around on sale.

Here's a few I've taken during the course of tonight.
I'm still trying to find my feet with settings though. I tend to use too high an ISO and get grainy pics.

Considering I've really never experimented with photography though, I'm pretty pleased with my start. All the photos were taken somewhere or another around Darwin (went for a bit of a drive hehe).

Post 20

i think you should make the switch to porn shots...more money in that.

Post 21

ill give you a moneyshot :P

Post 22

lenko wouldnt be able to get his mouth off you to take the photo ;P

Post 23

That's what remote controls are for.

Post 24

If you want to push more sharpness and have a bit more play in the 18 - 50mm range... Invest about $600 for a Tamron 17-50 f2.8 ridiculously sharp lens for its price I'd post pics and crops but I'm too lazy to go through my backlog of Lightroom lol...

Post 25

Keep updating this tread Melinko. I'd be interested to hear how you are going as I am considering a DSLR purchase myself.

Post 26

How does everybody feel about a photo walk about next Saturday morning (not this Saturday)?

Post 27

Im possibly up for that, I need practice lugging my new lens around (1.6kg of lens ftl!)

I'll know a little closer as to how my uni/work workload is going

Post 28

you should, all at once, go to the wave pool and just start taking pics of people en masse - i'd love to see the crowd reaction to that - 'specially if you pretended there was someone famous in the mix =)

Post 29

Quote from ResLo;370103:
Keep updating this tread Melinko. I'd be interested to hear how you are going as I am considering a DSLR purchase myself.

Well, I've been taking a few night photos.
I think i've started to work out my exposure settings and stuff; but now I'm trying to overcome the hurdle of focussing in low light (hard :( ).

I don't know if this link works for everyone or if you need a DA profile or not; but give it a go - Sean B -: - part-time focuser

Quote from Kagetsu;370104:
How does everybody feel about a photo walk about next Saturday morning (not this Saturday)?

I will try to get it off :)

Post 30

Quote from Aegis;370107:
you should, all at once, go to the wave pool and just start taking pics of people en masse - i'd love to see the crowd reaction to that - 'specially if you pretended there was someone famous in the mix =)

that actually sounds like a really great idea!

... I heard Katie Holmes is up here for a holiday while Tom is off setting up for a new movie... I also heard she'll be at the wave pool around 10AM on saturday morning. ^_~

Post 31

haha I know right where the hell waz photography for us? :P I like taking pics but I want a half decent camera just so I know when the photos end up shit it's cause of me and not cause of the camera ^_^

Post 32

I'm really happy with the 500D so far; it's a great camera.

Post 33

Link worked Lenko, snaps look good for a beginner.

A very close friend of mine back in Ireland is into photography big time. He even pays to fly models into Ireland to snap them. He started off just like you taking an interest and then joined a club to gain experience from others. Have a gander at his website and feel free to drop him an email.

The Wonder Of Light (cool domain name or what?)

Post 34

Man his photos are sooo crisp. I love it.
Also he has noodies on there; whats not to like about that.

I'm just doing it as a hobby atm - but you never know with these types of things I guess :)

Post 35

Portraits are his thing. He travelled to Iran a few years back solely to get photos of faces from people in the country.

The clarity he obtains is gob-smacking good eh.

edit - Make sure you check out his blog. He's got tutorials too.

Post 36

Quote from r00t|{it;370117:
haha I know right where the hell waz photography for us? :P I like taking pics but I want a half decent camera just so I know when the photos end up shit it's cause of me and not cause of the camera ^_^

Ya nutter, i had it in year 10 & 11 when we went to high school.

Post 37

Any one care to tells us what is your camera bag? This to everyone including Rec and Kagetsu.

Raker's Camera Bag:
Canon EOS 50D with Battery Grip
Canon Eye piece extender
Canon Remote Switch RS-80N3
Canon EF-S 18-200mm F/3.5-5.6 IS
Canon EF 24-105mm F/4L IS USM
Canon EF 50mm F/1.4 USM
Canon EF 70-200mm F/2.8L IS USM
Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L IS USM
Canon Extender EF 1.4x II
Canon SpeedLite 580EX II
Canon SpeedLite 430EX
Canon SpeedLite Transmitter STE2
2x SanDisk Extreme III 8GB
Manfrotto 055XPROB Tripod with 808RC4 Head
Manfrotto 680B Monopod

I think this is more a suitcase then a bag :P

Photography is fun :)

Post 38

Nothing- caus I havent bought a bag yet :p

Post 39

lenko, that's the first thing you do :P

Post 40

Yeah getting one off ebay.

Post 41

I really need to get an updated photo... but my list includes:

1Ds Mark III
5D Mark II
14-24 f/2.8 Nikkor (with G Mount adapter)
24-70 f/2.8L
50mm f/1.2L
70-200 f/2.8L
17mm TS-E (soon to come, just sold my 24mm TS-E to make way for it)
580EX II
580EX I
Kenko Extension Tubes
Rode Stereo Mic.
1200w Ring flash (it's actually too bright!)
Dell XPS1330

Various other bits and pieces.

Additional to that are the items not in the bag.

IPF5000 printer
two Dell 30" monitors
Two lights and lightstands with various hoods and softeners.
Reflective disks etc.

EDIT: Attached my camera's photos... 24 TSE is no longer with me though, sold.

Post 42

We've only just had a 'reboot' in our gear recently.

Nikon D90
Lots of SD cards.
nikkon 50mm 1.8
nikkor 18-105 3.5-5.6vr
tamron 90mm macro
nikkor 70-300 4-5.6
sb-900
lumiquest softbox
manfrotto tripod

Soon to include a Horseman 45FA and probably some other oldschool gear.

Really want to get a battery mount, kenko tubes, nd filters, and more filters, few 2.8 nikkon lenses we have our eyes on and probably a d200/300 body for myself so we're not fighting over the camera. :p Probably spending every dollar we earn for the next decade. Oh and more gaffer tape.

Post 43

My list is rather small, but good to travel:
Canon 40D
28-300 f/3.5-5.6L
17-85 f/4.0-5.6
Spare high capacity battery
UV Filter, 4 point star filter
low profile Sunstar flash
Canon TC-80N3
Velbon tripod

Post 44

I need a new camera body but:
Canon 400D
Tamron 17-50 f2.8
Canon 50mm f1.8
Canon 70-200 F4L IS USM
Manfrotto 190DXProB with 804RC2 Head
Canon 430EX(II I think)

What I need from here is a new body, a 580EXII and a Sigma 30mm f1.4 since 50mm is too long for general use on a crop body :(

Post 45

err kagetsu, there's a confused tribble ****ing your smaller camera

Post 46

Hahaha

Post 47

Rode spare parts call that tribble a dead kitten. Kag I own a rode VM1 and VM2(the VM 2 is the stereo mic you have) what do you use it for as for most uses the VM1 is the better choice.

Post 48

I use it for ambient stuff... I'll be getting myself a few VM1's in the near future for film making, but the stereo mic is wonderful for ambient stuff.

Post 49

If anyone is interested, I'm heading to Crocodylus Park on Wednesday morning and the Territory Wildlife Park on Thursday; for a bit of a walk and shoot.

I hear Croc Park has lions and tigers and stuff; that will be awesome to see/shoot.
Mainly going to the TWP for the nocturn, Aviary and Aquarium exhibits.

TWP will probably be a full days outing.
Probably be best if only someone wanting to take photos comes with; as anyone else might get annoyed waiting around while I take lots of photos :p

I don't mind if I go by myself; but thought I'd see if there was anyone interested.

Post 50

Sorry bro, work days. ^_^

Post 51

Yeah that's cool - I didnt think it'd suit many peoples timetables.
Unfortunately though they are my only RDO's this fortnight :(

Post 52

New photos up on my DA Profile.

Critiques wanted!

Post 53

Left a couple comments. Keep it up!

Post 54

Website was down for me.

On a side note, I'm going to hold a introduction to photography thing most likely on the 3rd of October, as well as a photowalk, and then a critique afterwards if anybody is interested.
The focus will be to discuss the elements of the technical side behind photography and the basics of camera jazz.

Post 55

Will check my RDO's!

Post 56

It's all go for Sunday 4th as that seems to be the day most suitable for everybody. ^_^

Post 57

Photos taken on a phone a couple of years ago...

Dominick Sanchez Bryce's Photos - Artsy? | Facebook

Post 58

Hey Kagetsu
Whats ur thoughts on the 580EX II?
Anyways My list is.
Canon 40D
17-85mm Is USM
50-250mm Is
100mm Is USM
70-200 f2.8l Is USM
Verbon Sherpa 600r
Slik Pro Stick
All with Hoya hd Uv and Polarizers

Would love to upgrade to a Full Frame sensors
Also if you don't want to pay the price for the filters check them out on ebay. Alot cheaper.Got a $290 filter for "30.

Post 59

The 580exII is pretty good. I have one, but don't use it a lot.

Post 60

BTW have been noticing eos 1ds on grays recently I think the cheepest one of the last lot went for $2,500