A new PC YAYAYAYAYA

Hey peoples how's it going i am in the market for a new computer here is what i want

Asus P7P55D DELUXE
250
G.Skill 4GB (2x 2GB)PC3-12800
157
Intel i5 750
244
750w Thermaltake ToughPower
200
Corsair Nova V128 128GB SSD <<< NOT SURE
394
XFX GeForce GTX 285 BLACK EDITION (already have a 260 for physics yea yea too big get over it)
449
DVD drive
40
HAF 932
213

All of it is from Mwave.com.au any help would be appreciated.
(the only things i don't want to change are the case and CPU)

Re: A new PC YAYAYAYAYA

Have a look at other prices around. www.staticice.com.au is a good place to start.

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only 2 things i would suggest:

- change the power supply to a 650w modular one (for a little less than the 750w).
- spend the extra cash and at least grab a hd5850 for roughly "30 more. i would personally grab a gigabyte mobo instead of the asus for like half the price, and spend the savings on a better graphics card.

You might want to give us more info on your new system like what are you planing to do with it etc. At the moment the items aren't really the most advisable things to get.

Motherboard is complete overkill. Bloated motherboards are generally a waste of money. Keep it lean, just read some reviews and make sure it's a good performer.

Intel i5 750 rocks - it's the i5 to get.

That PSU is far too watt heavy for your needs, unless you plan on running an array of drives. You could quite easily get away with a 430-500w. Just make sure it actually performs at its spec. Seasonic is my brand of preference because it does actually deliver its rating.

I'm running a 128GB Kingston V-Series SSD and it's pretty solid. There are better options though, if you're willing to spend a tad extra. I'm also running a 128GB OCZ Vertex which flies, and that'd be my recommendation.

The GeForce GTX 260 is a good performer. I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure you could get something that's even quicker for the same price, though.

Sorry for not saying this earlyer but i already have a 260 and am going to run sli... also pricing if possible could be somthing like 1500 0r 1600 (before postage) also i want USB3 and sata3 on my motherboard

My bad josh i just want a fast computer that plays the best games with a reasonable frame rate

Well you should get that Gigabyte motherboard that has usb3 and new sata as well as dual pci x16 slots.
Its an on the high end of gigabyte offerings

which one?

probably the GA-P55-UD4P

actually got this myself a couple months ago, has been faultless.

edit: actually this is not dual pcie x16. i think the cheapest gigabyte p55 board with dual x16 slots is the GA-P55A-UD7, which is quite a bit pricier.

be careful to read the fine print on the dual pcie slots. Some motherboards may limit the bandwidth or not allow the second pcie slot if you have usb3 enabled

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Sorry for not saying this earlyer but i already have a 260 and am going to run sli... also pricing if possible could be somthing like 1500 0r 1600 (before postage) also i want USB3 and sata3 on my motherboard

be careful with the , i did an install with a h55m-s2h mobo and an Amaze nvidia 260.
the screw that holds the heat sink on the gfx card gets in the way of the mobo ram slot and will not give enough room to use one of the slots.

to run sli or not to then??

i'd pretty much always go for one great card over two decent ones. but i'm also a multi monitor whore and sli doesn't play nice with that.

I agree. Even the GTX295 causes difficulties IMO. Single GPUs from here on in for me too.

The 7950 GX2 was the last dual GPU card that I've let unsettle a rig. When it was working it was flying. But too often for my liking there was quirks that sacrificed system stability. That said, like the GTX 295, these dual GPU cards seems to be more problematic than legit SLI setups.

But I'd still have to side with the opinion that the single fastest card is preferable over trying to match or beat that card with two lower end ones. On that note, my GTX 480 got shipped today. Yea.

Can i have it? anyhoo okay which one then people???? 295 285 5970 5870 also tomshardware says L4d atleast gets a higher frame rate than two of these single cards with SLI GTX260s
Charts, benchmarks Gaming Graphics Cards Charts 2009 (High Quality), Left4Dead
so yeaaa id rather spend 250 on another 260 than spending like 500 on another card that could be slower..

Just get an ATI card. If you wait a few months the ati cards of the 5 series will go down due to the new nvidia cards in the market

Get an ati card and we will save you a spot in the squad in bad company 2 while your loading in.

ATI 5850 is the best value for money single-gpu high performance card available right now, at $350.

In many game benchmarks it beats the GTX 285 ($420), and it even beats the new GTX470 ($480) in some.

Quote from Zacwah;382936:
Get an ati card and we will save you a spot in the squad in bad company 2 while your loading in.

They fixed that loading issue already

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ATI 5850 is the best value for money single-gpu high performance card available right now, at $350.

In many game benchmarks it beats the GTX 285 ($420), and it even beats the new GTX470 ($480) in some.

but which card outputs better looking visuals? generally the one that's putting more stuff on screen at once - hmmm physx? oh yeah, ATI doesn't have CUDA...

Quote from Joshuayu101;382939:
They fixed that loading issue already

yeah, by slowing down the round start for everyone with decent hardware

Obviously there are benefits to buying Nvidia beyond raw gaming frame performance. I'm just saying the 5850 is the best value for money card, which I do think is the case.

Im not sure if this is helping or not....

how bout running a 285gtx as a main card and my 260 as a physics card? (i dont know much about using a physics cards...)

Quote from billbob;382949:
Im not sure if this is helping or not....

*slap* good god man, of course it is.

if you want a video card that's a few dollars cheaper than the competition and can give decent visuals - go the ATI route

if you want a video card that can do what the ATI one can minus a frame or two but can also:
- add extra crap to explosions in games

- help cure cancer

- help look for ET

- have divertingly fun little physics based apps - many for free

- have the sexiest logo

- have GREEN in the logo (it's true, geniuses prefer green)

- not be in any way related to the Rage series of video cards

then you *need* an nVidia card.

okay then how bout what i said above?

That'd work - bit of overkill in the 260 for physics, but makes a nice backup if the 285 ever fails. just don't buy the one rec has, he'll only spend the money on strange man-jewels. ;)

and running a card as physx processor is easy as ticking a checkbox in the nvida control panel. when i set my newest machine up it automatically did it for me.

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if you want a video card that can do what the ATI one can minus a frame or two but can also:
- add extra crap to explosions in games

- help cure cancer

- help look for ET

- have divertingly fun little physics based apps - many for free

- have the sexiest logo

- have GREEN in the logo (it's true, geniuses prefer green)

- not be in any way related to the Rage series of video cards

then you *need* an nVidia card.

You mean plus a frame or two. Ie. the GTX480 is the fastest single GPU card on the market. And then there's drivers that don't want to make you smash your face into oblivion with frustration. ;)

As for running a second card as your PhysX card, I don't really think it's necessary. But if you are going to buy a GTX285, and aren't going to sell the GTX260, you might as well.

damn - i always forget to mention the drivers - them being the main thing that drove me away from ATI in the first place.

i ignored the 480 because he didnt seem to want to spend too much :)

Quote from Aegis;382962:
damn - i always forget to mention the drivers - them being the main thing that drove me away from ATI in the first place.

i ignored the 480 because he didnt seem to want to spend too much :)

ati drivers are updated monthly and at least ati didnt release a driver that overheated their cards

neither did tseng labs. where are they now?

Get a GA-X58A-UD7 board from Centrecom...will cost you like $30 more including shipping but a much better board (I run one now).

Also Id probably shoot for an i7 over an i5 if you can stretch your budget a teensy bit further. The i7 930 is out so you should be able to pick up an i7 920 cheap from people trying to clear out older stock. Only difference between the two is the 930 has an extra 0.5 multiplier but they are physically identical and have the same upper overclock limits beyond that, so it's a waste to get the 930 over a cheaper 920.

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ati drivers are updated monthly and at least ati didnt release a driver that overheated their cards

why would monthly updates be a good thing especially when the goddamned installation takes a fucking month to complete? i'd rather only have updates when i need them - or is that what you're saying? ATI cards have to be patched constantly? as for the overheat issue - meh, didn't affect me and i doubt it will happen again now. most companies learn from those sorts of mistakes.

Up until a few ATI driver releases ago you couldn't even install the suite on Windows 7 64bit, unless you ran the installer silently, or installed the driver and Catalyst components separately. The launcher would just fail to actually run. And they didn't fix it for about 5 months. Legends.

Quote from rec;382992:
Up until a few ATI driver releases ago you couldn't even install the suite on Windows 7 64bit, unless you ran the installer silently, or installed the driver and Catalyst components separately. The launcher would just fail to actually run. And they didn't fix it for about 5 months. Legends.

been running windows 7 x64 since the beta, never had any issue with installing ati drivers.

shrug. i have no problem with ati drivers at all actually. maybe i'm just lucky?

It depended on the .NET framework version you have installed.

Quote from rec;382992:
Up until a few ATI driver releases ago you couldn't even install the suite on Windows 7 64bit, unless you ran the installer silently, or installed the driver and Catalyst components separately. The launcher would just fail to actually run. And they didn't fix it for about 5 months. Legends.

Ive been running with ati drivers since 2008 always upgrading each month, didnt give me any problems.

Quote from Joshuayu101;383002:
Ive been running with ati drivers since 2008 always upgrading each month, didnt give me any problems.

Read above your post:

Quote from rec;382999:
It depended on the .NET framework version you have installed.

I've never had a problem with mine either - Win7x64 since betas. But, as rec clearly points out - his blanket put-down of the ATI drivers requires specific obscure conditions ;)

i think the nvidia fried GPU did too - otherwise why wasn't it spotted in the beta version of the drivers?

Quote from OverDrive;383006:
I've never had a problem with mine either - Win7x64 since betas. But, as rec clearly points out - his blanket put-down of the ATI drivers requires specific obscure conditions ;)

Obscure like running Windows 7 without installing .NET (doesn't come pre-installed)? Obscure like running a version of .NET older than 2.0? Obscure like running a newer than 2.0? Eg. 3.5? Those all are symptoms of it not installing. Pretty much if you weren't running 64bit 2.0 it wouldn't install.

PS. my avatar is better than yours.

Yeah - what's worse - drivers not installing or frying your video card. Tough choice.

And if you're stupid enough to turn off Windows Update then you deserve broken installers. You don't deserve fried video cards, which is what you get with Nvidia, but hey....

And PS: Sif yours is better - Mine hobbles a showpony.

Oh, common! That was one driver release! There's no comparing that to ATI drivers, which have been flakey since the dawn of time.

I did own many ATI cards in including the 9700 Pro, 9800 Pro, X850 XT, 4870 - I'm not just saying their drivers are shit to create a stir. It's not an uncommon opinion, most people acknowledge it. :)

Now there are ATI drivers acting strangely at the dawn of time - coders with time machines man - you'd think they'd go forwards instead of back...

Even better avatar now.

Quote from OverDrive;383011:
Yeah - what's worse - drivers not installing or frying your video card. Tough choice.

except when, you know, the drivers don't fry your card(s) as per my case where they didn't. as opposed to every ATI card i've had dealings with - let alone owned - that's had shitful driver installation routines and some of the weirdest conflicts i've ever seen.

on a windows server with onboard ATI chipset: couldnt install the drivers because the only colour resolution i could choose was 16 colour - the driver installer wouldnt run without 256 colours.

on a mac where i had onboard ATI + 2 additional ATI cards running 5 monitors: for the first few months i had to turn the monitors off completely when powering the machine on and then i had to turn them on in order of the port locations otherwise whichever screen was next in order wouldn't detect.

slow fucking installs. are they still fucking slow? they were fucking slow. seriously. fucking slow.

have had at least 4 cases where i had to do a complete reinstall of windows after ATI driver updates.

I've had nVidia cards for 5 years now and to date my issues with nVidia have been a big fat zero. the only thing that *might* be their fault is the weird black flicker i now get at random points in BFBC2 - though i doubt it as people with ATI cards have mentioned the same issue since the last BFBC2 patch too.

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Oh, common!

nice invocation of metalattack there.

i will fucking kill you.

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nice invocation of metalattack there.

i will fucking kill you.

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at least he yells "come on" or "c'mon", and not COMMON!

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at least he yells "come on" or "c'mon", and not COMMON!
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except when, you know, the drivers don't fry your card(s) as per my case where they didn't. as opposed to every ATI card i've had dealings with - let alone owned - that's had shitful driver installation routines and some of the weirdest conflicts i've ever seen.

on a windows server with onboard ATI chipset: couldnt install the drivers because the only colour resolution i could choose was 16 colour - the driver installer wouldnt run without 256 colours.

on a mac where i had onboard ATI + 2 additional ATI cards running 5 monitors: for the first few months i had to turn the monitors off completely when powering the machine on and then i had to turn them on in order of the port locations otherwise whichever screen was next in order wouldn't detect.

slow fucking installs. are they still fucking slow? they were fucking slow. seriously. fucking slow.

have had at least 4 cases where i had to do a complete reinstall of windows after ATI driver updates.

I've had nVidia cards for 5 years now and to date my issues with nVidia have been a big fat zero. the only thing that *might* be their fault is the weird black flicker i now get at random points in BFBC2 - though i doubt it as people with ATI cards have mentioned the same issue since the last BFBC2 patch too.

conflicts on windows server and in a mac? fuck every gamer stop buying ati quick

driver installs aren't particularly slow that i've noticed. there were two things that used to shit me: the way it would lose your settings every time you updated, and the way it would insist on a reboot every time you updated.

however they fixed these niggles a while ago, so i am currently pretty content with ati.

I'm still running a 4870 in my media centre. The driver installs are still slow (if they install at all, as previously noted). But the worst part is actually trying to navigate through that piece of shit Catalyst suite to accomplish anything you're trying to. It's unintuitive, and unstable. For many releases, trying to access the advanced options of my display would dump me back to the control center welcome/promo screen.

As far as actual operation is concerned, I experience stupid shortcomings (or bugs) in it frequently. Eg. I set scaling to 100%, so the screen actually goes to the borders of my 50" plasma at 1920x1080 at 59Hz (the default refresh rate). Then I run a game that's running 60Hz and doesn't let you change it, but the ATI scaling doesn't carry over between different Hz settings. So I set the scaling to 100% for that as well. Then I switch back to 59Hz, and guess what, the scaling resets, so I need to change it back to 100% again.

Quote from Mungus;383025:
conflicts on windows server and in a mac? fuck every gamer stop buying ati quick

oh okay, servers aren't important at all then. and if they couldnt get mac drivers right? with the hardware base clearly so complicated by the dizzying array of options available to users when configuring their machines? i mean shit, their driver might've got upset with 4gb of ram instead of 2gb! and err.. what else could i upgrade in it at the time? oh yeah! netcomm modem vs whatevertheotherbrandwas! ... srsly... laaaaaame.

but anyway:
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that's had shitful driver installation routines

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have had at least 4 cases where i had to do a complete reinstall of windows after ATI driver updates.was on a gaming PC.

Okay ive edited the first post so it says what im getting any final suggestions?

Looking good. Comments:

- I'd go for more than 4GB of RAM. 6-8 is ideal.
- For $200 you can get a better power supply. Eg. Seasonic.
- The Intel SSD's are great, but pricey. You could probably get a comparable drive from OCZ for less.

Those intel SSD's are a wee bit older incomparisn to the OCZ Vertex 2's. Ask Rec what he has god and what he would recommend for you.

OKay okay OCZ it is then lol 2.5 or 3.5?

The Vertex 2 performance boost over the Vertex is negligible in most areas, and probably isn't worth the additional cost right now.

Best bang for buck is the Vertex: OCZ Vertex Series SATA II 2.5" SSD OCZ Technology

You can grab the 120GB version for $450 or the 60GB for an awesome $250. Just keep in mind that typically with most SSD's, the bigger the drive the faster it performs.

I use Welcome to Corsair :: Extreme Series Solid State Disk Drives
Pretty much the same as the ocz and good performers.