93% of Australia to have fibre within 8 years.

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Post 1

From Ars:
When the FCC issued its National Broadband Plan earlier this year, it set some modest goals for the nation: 100Mbps to 100 million homes by 2020, universal service of 4Mbps everywhere.

Australia plans to do things... a bit differently. Within the next eight years, the Australian government will spend AUS$43 billion (US$38 billion) to build its own "world-class broadband infrastructure" that will deploy fiber to 93 percent of all Australian homes and bring 12Mbps broadband to everyone else. The network will be wholesale only and will be open access, enabling every ISP to use the fiber to offer services.

What about the presence of a "highly profitable vertically-integrated and horizontally-integrated incumbent with a monopoly position in most fixed-line access in many backhaul routes"? (This is a reference to Telstra, which controls most of the copper telephone line in the country.) Well, Telstra can partner with the government and make a bit of money off the rollout, or it can choose not to cooperate and the government will do what it wants anyway.

The message is clear: Australia refuses to be held back by the business decisions of a single company. As a new report on the Australian plan makes clear, there's not much attempt to make this easier on Telstra.

"Existing participants will need to adapt to succeed," says the government report.

Aim high

The new report (PDF), out today from consultants at McKinsey and KPMG, is an "implementation study" to make sure the government's plan is feasible—and the report is remarkably positive.

The government initially planned to spend AUS$43 billion (about US$38.9 billion) and build a fiber network that would reach 90 percent of Australian homes. The rest would get wireless broadband, while the truly rural would have access to a new class of satellite service that can deliver a least 12Mbps to the entire country.

Too modest! says the report. Instead, Australia should bump its fiber build up to 93 percent, provide fixed wireless service for four percent, and Ka-band satellite service for the remaining three percent—and it can all be done in eight years and on budget. (Australia will apparently launch two of its own Ka-band satellites to provide a redundant national connection serving up to 350,000 homes.)

[Image: http://static.arstechnica.com/2010/05/06/NBN-cost-estimate.png]
Cost breakdown (source: implementation report)

"The new fiber infrastructure covering 90+ percent of premises will be long-lived and will redefine the current industry structure, superseding the copper network that has been in place for over 50 years in many places," says the report "the fiber laid over the next decade will be in place for possibly as long again."

As for Telstra, there's not much consolation here. The new fiber buildout will produce a "fundamentally different industry structure... This change will accelerate the evolution of the industry. At times this may be smooth; at other times it will be uneven. New business models and companies will emerge."

The incumbent can make money by doing a comprehensive deal with the government to "share infrastructure such as ducts, pits, exchanges, and unused backhaul fibers." Telstra has over 100,000km of conduit in the ground already, and it's estimated that 50-80 percent of these ducts still have unused space to run fiber. This could save the government significant money in trenching costs if Telstra will sell access.

Likewise, the incumbent has plenty of dark fiber installed around the country to serve as backhaul links between exchanges; the government could also save the expense of laying its own fiber over these routes if it partners with Telstra.

But it's clear that the new network won't be held hostage to Telstra's demands. The consultants conclude that, in the absence of an agreement, [the fiber network] should proceed to build both its access network and its backhaul unilaterally."

"Fiber": Australian for "broadband"

Because of its harsh interior geography, nearly all Australians live on the perimeter of the country. The report notes that only 9 percent of the country's land mass is inhabited, and 90 percent of the people live in just 0.2 percent of the space. It's relatively easy and inexpensive to run fiber to these locations, but it's still a big job that will take years to complete.

Just think about what's involved: fiber will run alongside almost every road in the country. The report notes that 250,000km of fiber optic cabling will be needed and that the new network will have to make "5,000 customer visits per workday" for eight years to hook everyone up.

The obvious downside of this approach is that no other wireline competitors will likely emerge to challenge the government-controlled fiber network. On the other hand, there's not that much competition right now; only 20 percent of Australian homes can get cable service, and most others are left with lines from Telstra (which does resell to numerous ISPs, but it retains control of the access network).

To encourage competition, the government will not enter the ISP business itself. Instead, the plan is to wholesale fiber connections out to ISPs, and the network will be open to every ISP that wishes to participate. This is similar to what Google plans to do with its 1Gbps testbed fiber network somewhere in the US—but over an entire country.

The report expects that wholesale prices should start at AUS$30-35 (US$27-32) per month for 20Mbps broadband with voice service.

Australia's plan may never have worked for the US: we have much stronger duopoly competition than Australia, and a company like Verizon has already invested "8 billion-20 billion in fiber. Also, population density is different between the US and Australia. Still, it's an exciting project to watch, and it certainly makes us wonder what the US would look like with fiber to 90+ percent of homes and a healthy ISP competition over that fiber. (Google's project seems designed to make US residents think about the possibility.)

But for now, we watch. We wait. And we hope our own rural residents are happy enough with their 2Mbps connections—when they can get broadband at all.

Uh-oh, telcos: 93% of Australia getting gov't-run fiber

Post 2

Of course if the libs get up, it's gonna be scrapped.

Post 3

^ was about to say that. i am hoping that we at least get our backhaul before that happens and hello cheaper non tel$tra adsl2 plans.

Post 5

This sounds like SOCIALISM to me! If the free market hasn't done it already then it's obviously not what consumers want!*

(* Just practising my fuckwit for next time I speak to one.)

Post 6

i'm still trying to find where in the fine print it mentions data limits.

Post 7

Quote from paladin;383162:
i'm still trying to find where in the fine print it mentions data limits.

Yeah I can see it now:

"Up to 100mbps with an insane 10gb downloads (3gb peak/7gb off peak - off peak from Midnight to 6:00am). 55c/mb excess usage".

Post 8

Quote from Bam Stroker;383146:
This sounds like SOCIALISM to me! If the free market hasn't done it already then it's obviously not what consumers want!*

(* Just practising my fuckwit for next time I speak to one.)

it's a mind boggling paradox really. on the one hand they're doing this, but on the other hand they're proving they have no fucking clue at all with their filter. which leads to the only possible conclusion, which is that the government wants everyone on its own network, so they can know at any time what anyone is looking at.

Post 9

Quote from Harbinger;383130:
Of course if the libs get up, it's gonna be scrapped.

Because labor is SO good at keeping election promises?

Post 10

Quote from lrinaldi;383199:
Because labor is SO good at keeping election promises?

I'm not exactly sure what your angle is. I'm sure as shit not voting labor, their censorwall is unacceptable.

Post 11

Agreed, I'll take temporarily slower internet over permanently censored internet any day.

Post 12

I'll take EBA's over work choice tho, FUCK WORK CHOICE

Post 13

yeah must suck having a modicum of control over your own destiny, rather than being lumped in with the lowest common denominator. unless you ARE the lowest common denominator that is.

Post 14

Australia is all about the LCD

Post 15

Double Post

Post 16

Work Choice was good IMO, it gave people the ability to negotiate and whilst some people DID abuse it, it would have evened out once everyone went elsewhere for work where they weren't getting fucked over meaning the abusers would have no choice but to come up to par to keep employees.

Yes it was always going to be rough and shitty for some in the beginning, but in the long term it would have been leagues better than "Awesome, we got this guy who does everything and we only have to pay him "0 an hour".

It also meant that you couldn't just do the bare minimum knowing you are going to get more money just for having a birthday and would force people to actually do their goddamn jobs properly.

Post 17

The funny thing is virtually everyone above middle level management in most companies are on individually negoatiated contracts anyway.

Post 18

93% of Australia to have fibre within 8 years.

Management in general is a minority. Most people are under management. And they're the ones who would have been screwed. Initially, at least.

Unfortunately the truth is that many of those people aren't doing their jobs to the best if their ability, and are just in it for the pay cheque, and probably don't deserve what they're on. In some cases don't deserve their job at all. But Wrathlon, thinking Work Choices would actually make people do their job properly is naive. Useless, careless people will probably always be exactly that.

I like George Carlin's take on it; motivation and dedication at it's core is essentially genetic. Some people are just oxygen thieves, and nothing will change that. I'd say it's more about the parenting, but I do agree that those people are unlikely ever to change.

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Post 19

what a load of toff. set a baseline, give people who want to strive for something better the ability to do so. having your worth to an employer determined in part by the worth of that useless fuck that does nothing all day is a travesty.

Post 20

93% of Australia to have fibre within 8 years.

I agree with that sentiment. I'm just saying the number of people under that baseline would be enormous.

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Post 21

too bad bosses that are pricks are going to be pricks regardless of the IR law in place. if they were going to abuse work choices they're going to abuse anything.

Post 22

Yes but those people who coast along and don't put in any effort would find themselves unemployed pretty damn fast as there would be plenty of people willing to work harder to get ahead. Ultimately the only people who will get fucked are the gutless and the lazy.

Post 23

If a huge, huge number of people are unemployed then there's an increased strain on the economy, crime rises, many more fall below the poverty line etc.

Post 24

if a huge, huge number of people are unemployed then there'll be a huge number of vacancies that will pay them regardless of how shit they are.

Post 25

Quote from paladin;383286:
if a huge, huge number of people are unemployed then there'll be a huge number of vacancies that will pay them regardless of how shit they are.

Sounds like they are Mexicans

Post 26

Budget 2010: 24million dollars over the next 5 years for the national broadband network :S

Post 27

hm. not TERRIBLE i suppose, but still, meh.

iTWire - Primus reveals 300GB NBN plans

Post 28

Yup not as bad as I thought it could be. We'll all be moving to Tassie should the Libs get in.

Post 29

Kickarse new network and they STILL persist with this peak/offpeak bullshit.

Post 30

Peak times ftl. Won't be going with Primus, that's for sure.

Post 31

Internode :: About :: News and Media :: Internode hooks up its first NBN customer in Tasmania

Post 32

Casuarina NT - Second Release Site! - NBN - Broadband - Whirlpool Forums

good news cor cas people

Post 33

Inner North Brisbane too!!! Woohoo!

BTW - if you look at the map, when they say "Casuarina" it's actually pretty much all of Darwin.

Post 34

Sweet. Looks like I'll be downloading at 10 megabytes/sec around the time of my birthday next year. :D

Post 35

Quote from rec;385891:
Sweet. Looks like I'll be downloading at 10 megabytes/sec around the time of my birthday next year. :D

Well that depends if labour win the election

Post 36

No it doesnt .

Post 37

Quote from Zacwah;385897:
No it doesnt .

Yeah it does. Didn't abbot say he was going to scrap the NBN if liberals win the election

Post 38

Yer and do his own shit. He wants to revive OPEL. Which is the gay i think

Post 39

Didn't Telstra take the contract?

Post 40

The last I heard, yeah - scrapola if the Liberals get in.

Post 41

The numbers of houses quoted was very low. Its not like all of northern Brisbane will get it.

Post 42

The map shows a very small area. But I'm in it, which is the main thing. :P

Post 43

Fan-fucking-tastic for Darwin!

Post 44

Forget 100 Mbps.. 1 Gbps will be avail on the NBN. :)
NBN To Offer 1Gbps Speeds At Launch | Gizmodo Australia
iTWire - Labor now promises 1Gb NBN: Gillard

Abbots response:
Quote:
It’s very hard to take seriously a government which suddenly pulls yet another technological rabbit out of a hat just because it’s under enormous pressure in the closing stages of an election campaign.”
This idea that ‘hey presto’ we are suddenly going to get ten times the speed from something that isn’t even built yet I find utterly implausible

Post 45

1ms pings for everybody! :P

Post 46

At least 10ms from Darwin to Adelaide, need to increase the speed limit of photons.
But then politicians are good a making promises they can?t keep.

Post 47

Quote from lrinaldi;383199:
Because labor is SO good at keeping election promises?

Lol there all the same as each other, as long as i get me fast broadband im happy ^_^

Post 48

[QUOTE=Wrathlon;383238]Work Choice was good IMO, it gave people the ability to negotiate and whilst some people DID abuse it, it would have evened out once everyone went elsewhere for work where they weren't getting fucked over meaning the abusers would have no choice but to come up to par to keep employees.

When i was working for a simple factory place making products for wines and exports the only thing i was able to negotiate was take there contract witch reduced my pay $200 a week working the same hours or not take it and be let go.. i chose not to take it and was let go 2 weeks after and there excuse was the work was running out.. witch was crap considering i had work there through there slow and fast period and it really was no change in either.

Post 49

Telstra did not win the contract or something have to read more into it, but Telstra and Optus are working together against the NBN because they are saying the NBN Co. will work to controll the new lines going in and compete against Private Retailers.

Optus slams NBN legislation
Thursday, 08 April 2010 11:43
Patrick Stafford

Optus, the nation's second largest telecommunications company, has partnered together with Telstra in attacking the Federal Government's proposed legislation for the National Broadband Network, saying it raises the possibility that NBN Co. could become a retailer.
This aspect of the draft legislation has been a controversial point between the Government and the telecommunications industry, with the latter fearing a situation could occur where the state-owned NBN would compete against private retailers.

Information from
Optus slams NBN legislation - Business news, business advice and information for Australian SMEs | SmartCompany

Post 50

The 1Gbps speed wont be available to every household, but in the future it might be.

Quote:
"Everyone keeps talking about 100Mbps. But that's obviously when we're talking about residents. For business we are allowing for a certain percentage in our dimensioning to structure point-to-point services up to 1Gbps."

Quigley: NBN Co to deliver 1Gbps - Communications - News

Post 51

I would be happy to get 5mb point to point for my two work sites. Atleast we have LoS and the microwave link goes in next few weeks.

Post 52

Make way for fiber! Australia splits its top telco in two

Quote:
Fulfilling another promise of its ambitious national broadband program, Australia's Senate has passed a bill that will split the country's biggest telco into separate retail and wholesale operations. Telstra will also sunset a big chunk of its copper wire operation, making way for Australia's massive nation-wide fiber project.

"Ever since Telstra was privatized Australians have suffered," Communications Minister Stephen Conroy declared shortly after the vote. "They have suffered with high prices, less competition and less innovative services. Today is about celebrating a significant win for Australian consumers."

The government let go of Telstra in the late 1990s. But, over the coming eight years, Australia's taxpayers will fork over AUS$43 billion (US$38 billion) to build a "world-class broadband infrastructure." The project will deliver fiber-to-the-home to 93 percent of all households. We're talking open access and wholesale only. Every ISP will be able to tap into the system.

As for Telstra?or as a government report put it, Australia's "highly profitable vertically integrated and horizontally integrated incumbent with a monopoly position in most fixed-line access in many backhaul routes"?the bill is intended to keep the company from favoring its own retail offerings over those of other ISPs that buy access to its network.

Post 53

Plan was released.
9.5 years with peak 5900 homes a day.
Wholesale price:
12bit service $24
100mbit service $38
1000mbit service "50

Post 54

this is worth reading.

NBN Points of Interconnect and the future of competition | Internode Blog

Essentially says that the accc just fucked us with the POIs decision, as having 100+ POIs means that Telstra and Optus still own the NBN, through backhaul.

Post 55

The NBN business plan come out today? yay or nay

Post 56

National Broadband Network | Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy

You have to admit - $38 wholesale for 100meg down and 40meg up is pretty bloody sweet.

But damn - "50 wholesale for 1000meg down and 400meg up is even more tempting.... Topdress that by 100 and it's still tempting.

Post 57

And the price will drop from that not increase.

Post 58

Are these all unlimited?

If not, these prices mean nothing. It's all well and good getting a 1000mbit plan if you have 2Gb of data. All 2 minutes worth of internet a month.

Post 59

It's the wholesale cost for the port/line

essentially replaces the phone line rental + the ~$40 odd that telstra charges for it's wholesale ports.

Post 60

Ah ok. Gotcha.