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Tomorrow 9pm EST, poll to be had whether K-Rudd or Gillard takes control of the country.
Either way still a shit party, and australia isnt ready for a female at the head. I can see a land slide next election.
Thing i hate with this, is whilst i didnt vote for K-Rudd he was voted in by the people .. where as gillard wont be .. if the leadership is fought and changed an election should be held straight away .. if then gillard wins so be it .. however i dont like this.
It was lose-lose with Rudd & Abbott, but Gillard will have my vote, if for no other reason but to keep Abbott out.
And I thought it was 9am tomorrow?
Correct 9am and I think Gillard will get up and save Labor in the election.
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Thing i hate with this, is whilst i didnt vote for K-Rudd he was voted in by the people .. where as gillard wont be .. if the leadership is fought and changed an election should be held straight away .. if then gillard wins so be it .. however i dont like this.
In 2007 I remember posting about this point in the then election thread. I remember a lot of people supporting the labor party then... I never have and never will, but beside the point, I said there are two things PEOPLE need to do when they get to an election...
1. Vote on behalf of Australia, not your own selfish ass.
2. Vote for the PARTY, not the man.
Kevin was idolised, which was the problem... much like Obama in the USA.
People voted in Rudd, yes... but they really voted in Labor. We reap what we sow. Everything occuring now is well documented within Australia's constitution. Hell, they were talking about doing this with Costello and Howard before the last election... and if they had maybe Libs would be in power now.
In addition, with the clown Rudd out of the office, Gillard may be in, but she's over opinionated, and self important. She won't be significantly better. Abbott may have foot in mouth disease sometimes, but the reality is he's generally very frank. You may not want to hear it, but he more or less speaks more truth then any of the Labor party heads.
EDIT: The leader of a political party is voted in by the political party he/she is representing.
EDIT: 30 votes Rudd, 70 votes Gillard. Congrats to the new Princess.
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You may not want to hear it, but he more or less speaks more truth then any of the Labor party heads. when it's been written for him ;P
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when it's been written for him ;P
That's right! Exactly why I said, you vote in a party not a person! Almost all politcal speaches are written by writers/scripters, then passed down through fact checkers and other checkers, until it lands in the PM's hands... He or She (now) then reads through does a check and says Yes or No and will go from it.
Yes they deliver a line, because they REPRESENT a PARTY.
Wow, uncontested... (previous figure taken from ABC... turns out it wasn't factual).
they need to be able to think for themselves though, otherwise no-one will have confidence in them - abbot comes across as being as capable as Rob Sitch's Jeff Kennett
You're right... but to think the leader dictates where the party goes is simply wrong. All the choices Rudd made for Australia were checked and agreed to by internal votes by the Labor party.
That's right matey... you just keep walkin...
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Gillard can and will win against Abbott. Especially if an election happens sooner rather than later.
And that's a good thing, because Abbott is an absolute fucking nut-bag. I'm pretty certain he is mentally unstable. Psych-evaluation required, stat!
The election has to be called before the end of August I think, so prepare for 3-4 weeks of Gillard getting settled and then it'll be campaign time.
Tony Abbott is a moral pushing idiot and I'd take Gillard over him or Rudd any day. On any account even if Gillard was totally shithouse she would still win due to all the feminist bimbos who will vote for her for no other reason than her gender and not even understand a single thing anyone says. Them and all their whipped male friends.
Labor has draconian "Nanny State" censorship and privacy (or lack thereof) policies and the Lib's are a pack of cunts.
Green's for me until Labor changes it's policies (and after talking to people I'm not alone).
I think you're wrong Rec. If anything this fiasco has worked against the Labor party. This will be fresh in peoples minds and will emphasise the need to vote in a party over a person.
In addition the Wane Swann as deputy will suffer hard blows during political campaigns.
I strongly disagree.
This controversy, according to virtually everyone of my 300 Facebook "friends" who has written about it, thinks this is fantastic and that Labor has made the right move. They love the idea Rudd is out, they love the idea a woman is PM, and they love the idea that they can now vote for someone who isn't Rudd nor Abbott.
Most women in the country will vote Gillard, I'm sure. As will I, unless I go down the route that OD is and mute my vote by throwing it to the Greenies. Whatever happens, I'm not voting Abbott in.
I'm gonna go with OD and say that Labor hasn't changed, only the leader has changed. All the stupid shit they've come out with is still there.
If you vote for a party because of a stunt like switching out Rudd for Gillard, then you're repeating the mistake you made with voting in the Rudd/Gillard media machine in the first place.
As the Australian political landscape stands, I'd say we're fucked. Greens can't win enough seats to influence anything, because at heart they're dirty hippies, and everyone hates hippies. I like them because they oppose the internet filter, but on the other hand, I disagree with pretty much everything else they stand for. Only reason you could vote for them, is to change the numbers enough to wobble the two party domination.
The only thing the Libs have going for them, is the Labor party, and the only thing the Labor party has going for them, is Abbot.
The two party system is pretty much summed up by South Park. You can vote for the Giant Douche, or the Shit Sandwich.
I wouldn't be voting for Labor because of the 'stunt', I would be voting Labor because I'm willing to vote for absolutely anyone except Abbott. ;)
But, much of Australia will vote for Gillard because of the stunt.
Rec, media polls (and I'm not one to follow them usually, but clearly the Labor party are) have shown women are unable to associate with Gillard. She makes a great poli, definantly, no arguements there, she's a little better then Rudd as far as leaders go, but nothing is any different to before. Labor is a unionist party, and will be until the end. Rudd was booted because he was trying himself to change the view, Look where it ended for him. Abbot has taken massive strides to win support from women, and if you've ever met the guy (which I have) he's sencere and genuine. He also understand the political machine, and draws a clear line between his own views and the parties.
On the topic of the Greens party, when you're a minority, with no immediate chance to overturn any government directly, it works in your favour to be sensationalist. The Greens may say a few things you agree with, but the overall picture is what's important, and frankly, voting for them is throwing away a vote unless you actually believe in their core policies.
In addition, the Labor government are spin doctors, which is appropriate considering the media background many of them come from.
Politicians are spin doctors, not just Labor. Suggesting otherwise is blind.
To be frank I know nothing of the Greens, and I don't need to - I'd rather throw my vote away than vote for Abbott, and that was the point.
Of all the people I've spoken to in recent months about Australian politics and the election, I know one (two, including you) that like Abbott and/or plan to vote for him. Even those I know who typically vote Liberal want nothing to do with his leadership.
And I haven't looked at the media polls, but the couple dozen women who I've seen writing about this on Facebook, my partner included, do associate with Gillard. Because they are indeed women.
Also, check out the trends on Twitter regarding this. I think you personally will be very, very surprised about what you find.
Hope Gillard replaces controy with lundy would be nice to have a competent communication minister for a change.
Might even tempt me to vote labor.
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I know one (two, including you) that like Abbot and/or plan to vote for him.
I don't plan to vote for Abbot at all.
I plan to vote Liberal. Again, you need to look beyond the one guy. There won't be anything on my ballot paper asking me to specifically vote for Abbot.
The trend on Twitter is irrelevant. People who will be on the ALP twitter will be biased...
And of course there'll be scepticism on the Liberal side too.
The reality is, nobody knows yet what'll happen. But She doesn't have a good track record, and I'm listening to her speach while I write this, and she's shot herself in the foot.
Take a look at the thread on OCAU (which is generally speaking ALP biased anyway) and you'll see a significantly different trend from the ALP twitter.
I'm glad I don't have to vote :)
I shouldn't have ever registered to vote. But nevertheless i will vote labor just because of the NBN
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I don't plan to vote for Abbot at all.
I said like and/or plan to vote for. And you can argue semantics all you like, but Abbott and the Liberal party are not mutually exclusive. He's their leader, their representative, and a lot of people want nothing to do with him, thus nothing to do with the Liberal party.
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Take a look at the thread on OCAU (which is generally speaking ALP biased anyway) and you'll see a significantly different trend from the ALP twitter.
How is the trend of OCAU any more relevant than that of Twitter? If anything, Twitter represents a broader demographic.
Greens for senate.
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Ronan not voting, OD Greens, rec Greens or Labor, Jay Greens, Wrathlon Labor, Aegis Labor, Joshuay Labor, Harbinger (?)... Kagetsu Liberal.
I might add a poll to this thread, we'll have our own little vote and see how things look. :P
Couldn't edit and include one. Poll here: http://gamers-underground.com/general-discussion/33462-who-do-you-plan-vote-election.html
In honour of our new PM...
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Bloggers campaign for Kate Lundy in reshuffle | News.com.au
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Senator Lundy has been one of the only Labor voices to publicly question the policy and earlier this month said she would propose an alternative to the Labor Caucus.
"I am working to change the internet filtering policy to better achieve the policy goals of protecting children through empowering and educating parents," she wrote on her blog at the time.
Senator Lundy's concerns lay with the mandatory nature of the filtering plan. She believes Australians should be given the option to choose whether their internet connections are censored.
You go girl !
edit - How good is that photo of Conroy. It shows what thye think if him in so far as they couldn't be bothered looking for a better shot of him. On the other hand maybe they took their time, reviewed hundresd of photos and still choose this one!
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Kate Lundy for IT: The Change We Really Need | Gizmodo Australia
Sweeeeet.
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Labor has draconian "Nanny State" censorship and privacy (or lack thereof) policies and the Lib's are a pack of cunts.
Green's for me until Labor changes it's policies (and after talking to people I'm not alone).
Wow Dan, never thought i would see the day. But i'm a bit the same, last election i purposely didn't cast a vote and paid the fine.
Politics in this country are fucked. And now Julia Gillard is running this country :/
Why We’re Backing Kate Lundy For IT | Gizmodo Australia
I didn't vote last year. Got a letter demanding an explanation; which i promptly threw in the bin.
A few weeks later I got a letter saying I've been removed from the electoral role. Woot.
Expect a nice fat fine if you don't enrol to vote and do it this year Lenko - they have been advertising it heavily.
Do you guys realise that a vote for the Greens IS a vote for Labor, as that's who they send preferences to.
Do you not all understand that Labor has not come through with ONE SINGLE PROMISE from the last election? (Except free insulation - and how did that turn out, Stimulus to the schools = 5x blowout of budget - ",000,000 being paid for tiny school rooms that should have cost $200k to build etc etc). All they have done is fucked the economy up beyond repair, which will ultimately lead to a very dark age for Australia when the jobs run out and no-one can pay their mortgages. Just you watch. Things are going to be very bad if they vote that bumbling Bimbo Gillard in, and despite many not liking Abbott (and I still don't understand at all why people don't like him - if you think he has foot-in-mouth disease did you hear Gillard's PM acceptance speech? OMFGGGGGGGGGG), Liberals are the only chance we have of pulling ourselves out of the shit.
i'll probably be drawing my own box and writing 'old spice guy' next to it.
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"dark age for Australia"
The dark ages will come to Australia irrespective of who is in power or not. We rely heavly on purchases of Gas,Iron Ore, Resources from China. China has reported this month and last that they have had huge drop in orders from the USA and Europe. The shipments of iron ore are down 4%, and the prices have been falling for some time now, but has not been reported on the news only that our house prices are secure as gold.
The PIGGS in Europe look like that they all invested heavely in the US house market, and currently are carrying more than 30% GDP of debt. Bec the countrys in the European Union gave up their option to inflate/default out of debt when they joined the European Union they're basically now held hostage to make huge significant cut back on Goverment spending. The EU has basically given up on Hungary, its down the shit hole. Over the channel, you have the same situation with the UK but ultimately because they never joined the EU and the Euro they have complete control over their currency, and such can inflate their value of their dollar out of their debt problems, where in the EU they cant. Though, they also have announced huge spending cuts to rain in the national debt.
Now, onto another point. The only way a COUNTRY can have GROWTH well AT the same TIME reducing spending and paying down debt is if they have a net positive export. The only country that does have that in the Euro or UK is Germany.
So in short, no matter what political leader gets into power, we rely on the rest of the world. Considering the rest of the world is amass of debt, and heading for a debt deflation, there is very little difference any leader is going to make. Just who will fuck up the most.
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Liberals are the only chance we have of pulling ourselves out of the shit.
I lol'd.
I honestly struggle to understand how anyone can vote for the ALP again.
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Expect a nice fat fine if you don't enrol to vote and do it this year Lenko - they have been advertising it heavily.
Umm think you may have mis-worded that. If you don't enroll and have never been enrolled they can't fine you because your not on the electoral. How ever if you're enrolled or just enrolled then yes if you don't vote a fine will be waiting for you.
I just e-mailed my enrollment in yesterday in hopes they process it before the 8pm deadline. I plan on voting for the greens. I know they will never win but hopefully they will gain a few more seats to at least influence the next party in power (even if it is Labor). They oppose the internet filter and that's the only thing Labor have a disagreement with me in. Being the selflish fucker I am I don't care much about anything else than the internet filter. Unless something affects me it doesn't bother me.
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All Australian citizens 18 years and older are required by law to enrol and vote in federal elections, including older Australians.
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I haven't been enrolled for the last XX years. Will I be penalised?
If you fill in an enrolment form now, you won't be penalised.
Where a person may have overlooked the responsibility to enrol and vote, the AEC's main interest is to ensure that eligible people do actually enrol.
Section 101 (7) of the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 states,
"Where a person sends or delivers a claim for enrolment, or for transfer of enrolment, to a Divisional Returning Officer or an Australian Electoral Officer, proceedings shall not be instituted against that person for any offence - committed before the claim was so sent or delivered."
This means that once a person gives the AEC a completed enrolment form, we cannot prosecute the person for not enrolling before, no matter how long he or she has technically been in breach of the law.
Therefore you can be assured that anyone who may have overlooked correct enrolment in the past and who decides to now enrol to vote a federal elections may do so without any fear of incurring a penalty.
Enrolment
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Voting is Compulsory
• The Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918, under section 245(1), states:
”It shall be the duty of every elector to vote at each election”.
• Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling
place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and
take it to an individual voting booth, mark it, fold the ballot paper and place it
in the ballot box.
• It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been
upheld by a number of legal decisions:
�� High Court 1926 – Judd v McKeon (1926) 38 CLR 380
�� Supreme Court of Victoria 1970 – Lubcke v Little [1970] VR 807
�� High Court 1971 – Faderson v Bridger (1971) 126 CLR 271
�� Supreme Court of Queensland 1974 – Krosch v Springbell; ex parte
Krosch [1974] QdR 107
�� ACT Supreme Court 1981 – O’Brien v Warden (1981) 37 ACTR 13
http://www.aec.gov.au/pdf/voting/compulsory_voting.pdf
Yep Jay is right about his post. Thats why i enrolled. The problem is, AEC isnt fussy and particularly harsh if you havent enrolled. They usually just send some Aec guys to your place to register you etc. Alot of my mates and former teachers havent enrolled and havent been fined at all.
Basicly a good anology is, Do you buy a parking permit and not get fined OR dont buy one and a possibility of you getting fined.
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Liberals are the only chance we have of pulling ourselves out of the shit.
If you think that EITHER of these parties have a clue you need your bloody head checked out.
*NEITHER :)
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Stimulus to the schools = 5x blowout of budget - ",000,000 being paid for tiny school rooms that should have cost $200k to build etc etc).
Incorrect. You cant take one example of the BER projects and then make a blanket statement that the entire budget has gone 500% over. That's just stupid. My company has been involved in over 70 projects. None of which that I am aware of has gone over budget by more then 10% and then only a handful. I personally have been involved in about a dozen and half of those have had items cut form the plans to bring them back into budget. Others have had things added as they were under.
Oh and one more thing, Voters decide where to place their preferences not the parties. If you couldn't be bothered to fill in the card fully and want to let your party of choice move the votes on then that's your choice.