At about 1:15am NZ time, I was banned from the WC3 server, apparently for wallhacking, which I dont. I think it was for a bshs through a crate. I knew he was there somewhere, so why not shoot?I can understand the need for proof, and the difficulty in supplying it.
In any case, I am currently a lv4 admin on the treshna server (its a NZ one so I dont know if you know of it).
As the admins that were on would know, I was playing with a few other ppl at the time, this is at the cafe that I work at, and I can gaurantee that there are no cheats here thank you very much.
Well,I think my wonid is 1903261 (its the 3rd colum when you type status right?)
Well, as admin to admin, you can appreciate the difficulties associated with cheat detection. Now this was cockroaches call, he was spectating YOU for a good 4 rounds. I simply responded to his admin_chat and banned you. If hes positive, im positive. Cockroach may be able to supply some demos. In the event he can, me along with a few others im sure will be able to see and cast their own judgements. As for proof, i can appreciate you may have a hard time finding some, but if your admin of this place, maybe you have some ties with anticheat officials? blacklists? Someone we know that can vouch for you?
Thats a list of the high level admins at treshna. As for someone who can vouch for me, I am confident that many if not all of the admins at treshna can attest to me not cheating.
look im happy to get u unband but what i saw not even the greatest player in the world could have seen some of the kills u did....as bluemania stated Quote: but if your admin of this place, maybe you have some ties with anticheat officials? blacklists? Someone we know that can vouch for you? im more than happy to ablige.
Yeah fair unuff dude, Id rather play on a server where people actually get banned rather than letting hax run rampant.
But I have to smile at that, yeah I admit some of those kills were very sus, hence why I was laughing. But bs happens all the time in cs, and I understand how hard it is to separate the cs from the bs.
Just one thing though, things must be run differently around here, as Im not exactly sure what you are asking me to provide.
You see, treshna is about the only server I play on (until I found one running the wc3 mod, namely yours)
pretty much, what they are asking for, is if you know somebody who deals with anticheat on your servers, to personally pm or icq, or email one of our admins and get them to vouch for you and tell us that you dont cheat :)
Quote from BlueMania: ... Cockroach may be able to supply some demos. In the event he can, me along with a few others im sure will be able to see and cast their own judgements. As for proof ...
Demo's are proof. In future, if disputes about being banned are made and the admin in question has not recorded a demo, I'll personally have them unbanned regardless of how sure the admin was.
Without that demo ready to be distributed to other admins, it's simply one admins word versus the supposed cheater, and I hate to say it, but admins make mistakes.
Admins jumping to conclusions is bad enough, jumping to conclusions without a demo or second opinion is even worse; these are the administration flaws that give server networks bad names.
Logic? I don't want to hear logic until I've seen a demo. Cockaroache thinks he cheats, he obviously thinks he doesn't cheat.
There is no room for logic, until that demo is in the air. Once the demo has been seen by a couple of admins, then we can start with the discussion.
If there is actually no demo, then he ban should be lifted without question. This is not saying I don't trust Cochroaches word, it's about doing things the right way. Perhaps the GU admins here should be a little bit more professional when doing their job, otherwise we get situations like this. Cockroaches word is not proof, as much as I'd like it to be. The apparent cheater in question is making a dispute, and we haven't got a leg to stand on. Let him play.
We recently had this exact same discussion at treshna.
Basically if it was someone with an aimbot or some other blatant hack, it was the admins call, more so if there were witnesses.
If it was something that looked highly suspicious or dodgy, but it wasnt blatant, then record a demo and get it reviewed. A second (and more) opinion if you will.
Even still, there are the occasional bad call, which is what we work to prevent, but mistakes happen, thats why threads like this exist.
Its like i said in another post (somewhere in this forum) to young Smiddy
He thought he had a cheater (turns out he didnt ) he demoed, got the WONID, and screenshots to boot.
When we examined the evidence the player was immediatly cleared and no more was said.
He did the exact right thing. Got proof and followed through with his convictions.
And just for my two cents, [tE]WorstPlayerInTheWorld , you have conducted yourself in a very mature manner in this case and i commend you, hope this ban is lifted promptly.
There should be no room for bad calls, and never should the admin take his own opinion as gospel. If you think someone is cheating, record a demo, prove it. Otherwise, when there are disputes like this, there is no proof, and an admins word is unfortunately not good enough.
If I banned someone without proof, and everyone took my word over the person disputing it, I'd be very disapointed indeed... It's the perfect way to build a bias and corrupted administration panel for a bad server network, the perfect way to bring down any reputation the server network has.
Thats a good point, however, Im not sure I would want the ban lifted simply on the basis that the admin didn't follow protocol.
I'd be happy to be unbanned, but a few people might still think of me as a cheater, which I cant stand.
I suppose deep down I just want everyone to see that Im a clean player, so later on when I pull off the occasional mad bs, ppl will just go "hey, that was some mad bs"
Oh, and cheers for your time and consideration guys. Nice place you run here.
Quote from [tE: WorstPlayerInTheWorld]Im not sure I would want the ban lifted simply on the basis that the admin didn't follow protocol.
You should be sure. Besides, it's not about what you want, it's about the admins here resting assured that we're always as fair and just as possible. If an admin makes even a little mistake like this, benefit of the doubt should always go to the accused person(s).
Cheater or not, I'm behind your ban being lifted. I want things done the right way here, I don't see any point me being apart of this administration if I'm not convinced things are being done properly. If you're ban is upheld because of a single admins word, or any situation based around the same moral principles, this defeats the purpose of being an admin, doesn't it.
hi guys although I've missed the train on this one worst don't hax! he's sometimes what you may call 1337. otherdays look at his name!
Otherwise you guys have handled this really well and quickly gd skills! Rec you seem to have similer ideas to mine nice to see an admin with a brain! I'll come check out the server some time and say hi!
i agree with what rec is saying all bannings should be demoed and a pic of the wondi taken zippen and help for future refrence or to get a 2nd opionion
but to cock who made this mistake dont get too upset we are all human and u were just trying to do ya job now that he knoes to get a demo and show others before hand i am sure he will become a better admin outa this and rember it for next time kee ya chin up buddy
No one is saying cockroache made a mistake, his eyes may have held the truth... But regardless of whether he actually cheats or not, he has now disputed the decision, and we have no proof to back up the judgement with.
I agree totally rec but this discussion should have been held within the server admin forum then the situation rectified rather than dragged out here in the pub forums.
Quote from HellSpAwn: I agree totally rec but this discussion should have been held within the server admin forum then the situation rectified rather than dragged out here in the pub forums.
I agree 100% with HS on that one.
We don't need to bring this stuff out into the public forums for all to see. Show some respect for your fellow admins by keeping it in the Server Admin forum where it should have been first off.
Crap like this makes us look like f*cking amatures.