Telstra Velocity, Darwins looking mighty fine!

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Post 1

$5000 fibre links for new developments
Verity Edwards and Michael Sainsbury
OCTOBER 25, 2006
TELSTRA is poised to unveil an aggressive plan to install super high-speed fibre connections for internet, telephone and pay TV, costing up to $5000 a home, in new property developments.

Telstra Country Wide group managing director Geoff Booth said the first phase of the project, codenamed Velocity, would be launched next month in conjunction with the sales release of Darwin's $300 million 700-home Lyons estate.

Telstra is understood to be in talks with developers around the country, including on Queensland's Gold and Sunshine coasts.

Fibre optic links to all homes in new developments of at least 400 houses will carry underground phone lines, high-speed broadband internet connections and pay television cables.

Mr Booth said the system would deliver internet access at speeds of between 20 and 100megabits, compared with the current standard entry level of 256 kilobits.

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"When you start to think about a family of four, they'll be downloading their various movies for the night, they'll probably want to surf the internet at high speed at the same time. There may be games, there may be, from a business point of view, downloading of heavy-duty PowerPoint slides," Mr Booth said.

"You could download music or even ... internet-protocol TV. You can soon see it getting gobbled up."

But the new project, part of Telstra's Smart Communities strategy, may create two tiers for broadband services after the telco shelved plans for a national network of the so-called fibre-to-the-node technology, which would have made similar speeds available to at least four million homes. Telstra plans to launch a faster version of copper-based broadband known as ADSL2+ before Christmas, but it will only offer speeds of about 12Mpbs.

Mr Booth said the the cost of installing Velocity would be negotiated between the developer and Telstra. Prices could range between $3500 and $5000 per home.

The Australian understands that as part of the deal developers would pay Telstra an extra fee of about $4000 per lot to connect fibre rather than copper-based ADSL broadband.

Telstra has trialled fibre connections to homes at the Gold Coast development Emerald Lakes since mid-2004, with fixed line technology provider Alcatel.

The new networks are being built under a ".5 billion contract signed with the French group.

Mr Booth said Velocity would only be installed on greenfield developments and would not be available to existing housing, or brownfield developments. "We have no plans at this stage to roll it out to brownfield developments," he said.

"This could change in the future. We are looking closely at multiple dwellings."

Lyons Development Corporation project director Geoff Smith said owners would be connected to the network and receive a package of Telstra products, including access to the Next Generation network.

Darwin was chosen as the first Velocity site because of the city's location and demographics, Mr Smith said.

"Darwin being so far away from the rest of Australia, a lot of our residents will be people who have lived here a long time or people who have been here a short time who have relatives interstate or overseas with defence and will benefit from broadband," he said.

Blocks will be offered for sale through a public ballot on November 25.

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"Darwin being so far away from the rest of Australia, a lot of our residents will be people who have lived here a long time or people who have been here a short time who have relatives interstate or overseas with defence and will benefit from broadband," he said.

Our complaining paid off!!

Post 2

What about the rest of darwin :(

Post 3

Quote from MetalAttack;283717:
What about the rest of darwin :(

A problem that this causes for the rest of Darwin is that other ISP's are afraid that Telstra will focus on the new fiber optic lines and the old copper lines will continue to degrade without Telstra giving a sh..

Post 4

Wahoo, moving house!!

Post 5

Cool... now if only i could find a cool 1/2 mill to buy a block and then I can setup a tent with highspeed net access ;)

Post 6

Wow Telstra are only 5 years behind other westernised countries now. They have caught up by a year.

Post 7

Smoke and mirrors... Cant even get a basic copper line installed in a new suburb within 7 months of moving in. No idea when it will occur. And they want people to invest in T3.

Mofos

Post 8

what are you all talking about, its Telstra by the end of the year this plan will be shelved aswell

Post 9

And as for NextG, shouldn't that be LastG? :-D

Post 10

Either way, they would have to bring the service to the Darwin area, eventually exchanges will be switched to adsl2+ and all will be good ;)

Post 11

The key word being eventually....

Post 12

the NextG aka 3G not going to be up and running in darwin till may :)
gg telstra

Post 13

We may get adsl2+ switch on exchanges but i dont see us getting adsl 2+ speeds.

next g is running in darwin matt :p my mother has one of those phones :P

3g phones that are currently out wont work on the network :P different speed. ie "n70, n80 , n91 " these are based on the old 3g network and telstra's is a fancy wancy faster speed that should be cappable of reaching 24 mbit speeds.

Post 14

So the T3 Connection will be for new homes, in fancy areas? Wait, where would that be? Beach front Or are they gona Prettyfy Berrima?

Post 15

The way the housing market is going in Darwin at present in all honesty a bloody cardboard box lying on a footpath has a property valuation of about "50.000. I would say these connections will be for the very expensive new areas near Leanyer at a guess.

Post 16

darwin? try perth. 3 bed room house, nothing special, no air con. $600,000.

Post 17

Quote from SpongeBobSquarePants;283744:
Smoke and mirrors... Cant even get a basic copper line installed in a new suburb within 7 months of moving in. No idea when it will occur. And they want people to invest in T3.

Mofos

hmm, yeah, so they build new suburbs without phone lines?

Post 18

Quote from SpongeBobSquarePants;283775:
The way the housing market is going in Darwin at present in all honesty a bloody cardboard box lying on a footpath has a property valuation of about "50.000. I would say these connections will be for the very expensive new areas near Leanyer at a guess.

Its suprising those boxes can survive the Cat 3 cyclones as well.. At that price you would hope so. We'll see around chrissy maybe.

Post 19

Quote from swamp rat;283778:
hmm, yeah, so they build new suburbs without phone lines?

No, they cut corners by putting in RIM or pair gain systems, which cannot (at this time) be ADSL enabled.

Post 20

Lol Lyons sounds like a Defence recruitment drive...
Quote:
Will there be any Defence housing as part of the project?
About 300 houses will be developed by DHA to accommodate Defence families.
That leaves 100 homes for non-defence peeps. Sign up boys - your country needs you and you need this suburb. :P

Post 21

the surburb is already all sold out from what i remember

EDIT: sorry they were almost sold out.. my bad

Post 22

there are going to be about 700 homes in this development
so which houses get the fiber and which dont will be interesting

Post 23

we so should get one as a "GU Dormitory" :P

Post 24

Quote from Nemesis;283807:
Lol Lyons sounds like a Defence recruitment drive...

That leaves 100 homes for non-defence peeps. Sign up boys - your country needs you and you need this suburb. :P

You couldnt be more wrong.

Unless you didnt know, all the defence people currently living in the raaf base area will be moved to this new suburb. and all the current houses are being sold to the public. Dont ask me why they are doing this but they are. And incase you also didnt know the "Lyons" area land still belongs to the Defence.

Used to be antennes and radars there. Look over the road next time you are there

Post 25

Quote from MetalAttack;283808:
the surburb is already all sold out from what i remember

EDIT: sorry they were almost sold out.. my bad
nop
they go on offer with a public ballot system in late november

Post 26

Quote from Unseen;283829:
You couldnt be more wrong.
Unless you didnt know, all the defence people currently living in the raaf base area will be moved to this new suburb. and all the current houses are being sold to the public. Dont ask me why they are doing this but they are. And incase you also didnt know the "Lyons" area land still belongs to the Defence.
Used to be antennes and radars there. Look over the road next time you are there

So I couldnt be more wrong about the fact that its all defence housing? Which is what I was saying and what you reiterated? I'm confused. :S lol Although I wasnt actually meaning that it was a recruitment drive. Should have turned on the mild sarchasm and maybe been a bit clearer I guess. All good :D

Post 27

Couldn't be bothered reading all that, but Korny is right, 3G is out now.

All exchanges ( Not sure about Howard springs and noonamah ) have ADSL2+ subracks and cards ready to use in them, they have had them for about 8 months now.

3G will be out next month *Apparently* I dont see it happening but thats what we got told, and all the radio guys have been flat out on all the TA getting the towers up, I myself have been installing the 3G software in Smith st exchange, It's all up and running, Telstra guys for the last 2 weeks have been getting trained in how to maintain the 3G equipment.

Post 28

rofl

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I still love it when Politicians run networks !

:)

Post 29

Yeah, 3G for phones maybe, but Telstra are advertising it as a solution for wireless broadband on laptops also - a technology that will not be available till May next year.

Who the hell surfs the net on their phone anyway?

Post 30

Telstra could put a pipe up my ass with 100 GB connexion and I still wouldn't put a penny in their coffers.

Post 31

Quote from Xaine;283881:

Who the hell surfs the net on their phone anyway?

I've been with every man van... :D

Post 32

Quote from Ritz;283724:
A problem that this causes for the rest of Darwin is that other ISP's are afraid that Telstra will focus on the new fiber optic lines and the old copper lines will continue to degrade without Telstra giving a sh..

Quote from SpongeBobSquarePants;283744:
Smoke and mirrors... Cant even get a basic copper line installed in a new suburb within 7 months of moving in. No idea when it will occur. And they want people to invest in T3.

Quote from Eater_Of_Souls;283765:
Either way, they would have to bring the service to the Darwin area, eventually exchanges will be switched to adsl2+ and all will be good ;)

Quote from Xaine;283792:
No, they cut corners by putting in RIM or pair gain systems, which cannot (at this time) be ADSL enabled.

Telstra suck sweaty camels balls. I've been unofficially told it's 2010 before I'm taken off pair gain and finally get access to my already ADSL-enabled exchange... Yet they can raise plenty of hoo-ha to promote their fibre and 3G which is "coming soon"...

They should sort out the mess they have already made.

Post 33

like i said when phen said ADSL2 was being installed in darwin..

ill believe it when i see it.

Post 34

xaine you could get one of those telstra phones for "0 a month over 24 months plus $50 data pack and plug the ****er into your laptop :D

only way you can get 3g speeds on your laptop / computer at the moment. cards arent out yet they are advertising them at telstra shop but you cant buy them, you have to express interest

Post 35

Quote from Xaine;283792:
No, they cut corners by putting in RIM or pair gain systems, which cannot (at this time) be ADSL enabled.

Quote from Xaine;283881:
Yeah, 3G for phones maybe, but Telstra are advertising it as a solution for wireless broadband on laptops also - a technology that will not be available till May next year.

Who the hell surfs the net on their phone anyway?

1. You can get ADSL if your on a RIM. They just throw a AM35 into it.
2. The NextG internet for 'phones' Is also available for laptops and from around the begining of next year on any computer with a USB port.

Quote from Korny;284045:
xaine you could get one of those telstra phones for "0 a month over 24 months plus $50 data pack and plug the ****er into your laptop :D

only way you can get 3g speeds on your laptop / computer at the moment. cards arent out yet they are advertising them at telstra shop but you cant buy them, you have to express interest

The cards are available.
Just a 10 day waiting period.

And i wouldn't get my hopes up about ADSL2 from Telstra.
From what i have found out it's not going to happen. Ever. Because of NextG.
NextG covers 98% of the population and will be faster than ADSL2 in probably about 2 years so why would Telstra need ADSL2?

Post 36

Quote from Deus Ex;284046:
NextG covers 98% of the population and will be faster than ADSL2 in probably about 2 years so why would Telstra need ADSL2?

Maybe to keep their customers happy for the next 2 years(not to mention the time adsl2 has been out already and unavailable to the majority here)? Just a guess tho.

Post 37

Quote from MetalAttack;283768:
the NextG aka 3G not going to be up and running in darwin till may :)
gg telstra

NextG is not 3G its the 'next' 3G
and i have used a nextG phone to make a video conference call in Darwin

Post 38

telstra should be shot...that is all

Post 39

Quote from neotheo;284100:
telstra should be shot...that is all

Spoken like a true optimist, I salute you.

Post 40

Quote from Deus Ex;284046:
1. You can get ADSL if your on a RIM. They just throw a AM35 into it.

Maybe they got pissed off at people like me giving them shit for not being able to get adsl and finally found a work around - whether they actually use it is another thing.