So most ISP will be offering 8 MB by the end of this week. Post your updates when you can get it and when you have got it here.. w00t 8 mb
Latest info from internode Quote: The plan table is firm, now, too - its what we're releasing with, as soon as we are able to release. and to add to that, we now do have the ability to order 8Mbit services via our wholesale interface to Telstra, however we're just completing some internal logistical work and testing to make sure that when we do open the flood gates everything is going to work just fine. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=631568
This is not a who is the better ISP. just an FYI on the 8mb
Well Westnet released their new plans today. I have to admit the changes aren't that great, but they aren't bad.
No more Free (included in cost) Static IP and PIPE/WAIX.
I still find the Quotas too low overall. Also with the majority of the download quota in offpeak times where they were also changed to start at 2am and end at like 10am in the morning.
I'll probably jump over to the 8mbit 20/40 plan for "19, although Internode is looking very tempting too.
INTERNODE High Speed ADSL1 Plans Up to 8 Megabits per second (wide coverage)
BIGPOND Plan Cost Quota Light $59.95 600 MB Capped Medium $89.95 12 GB Shaped Heavy "19.95 25 GB Capped Heavy "49.95 60 GB Capped Prices included with Phone, add "0 more to those that don't use Telstra for phone.
Quote from "Simon Hackett": The new HOME plans page has been updated to reflect increased certainty with all of this.
The plans are stable, SOHO and BUSINESS variants are being worked out, and we are clearing the various hurdles we need to clear before releasing Internode 8M plans into the wild.
We've had some challenges due to a lot of work that was well advanced around the Single Service Migration process, that has been delayed by Telstra yet again, so we're busy un-linking that work from the straight-up new plans release at the moment.
I hope we'll be in a position to open the doors on the new plans within the next couple of weeks. That isn't a guarantee, but its certainly the aim right now.
Subsequent to the new plan release, we'll keep working on integration of support for Single Service Migration around the ever-moving target that is the Telstra release timeframes for that (currently, long story short: Mid January 2007)
As another update... ahead of releasing new "Up to 8M' plans, one thing we've seen is a truly astonishing (even for us) spike upward in new customer signups in the past few weeks.
This appears to be for a combination of reasons, including the awareness raising that has occurred due to BigPond marketing activities and the business decisions made by other players in the market that are leading to a substantial number of customers taking their business to us instead.
That is all just great, except for one thing - that being the capacity of our network to absorb this additional traffic load. This is, naturally, a continuing concern for Internode as it grows, and I believe we've done an exemplary job, in general, of scaling the network to meet demand smoothly.
We have a new set of major international network capacity upgrades on the way - these were arranged prior to the Telstra 8M announcements, and prior to the current growth spike we are experiencing.
At this point, because of the sheer magnitude of that spike (and this is happening before we release our plan updates), we are re-assessing whether it is safe to release those plans prior to the new capacity coming online.
Its important to appreciate that these major capacity upgrades can't be magically just switched on - major international circuits don't work like that.
They were planned, negotiated, and ordered some time back, and are set for delivery in early to mid January (subject to final confirmation from our circuit carriers).
Our primary concern has to be the provision of rocking services to our current customers under their current arrangements - its going to be no use at all to release 8M plans if the network isn't able to perform at its usual rocking standards during the first few weeks of their release.
So the gist of this posting is a warning - that we are assessing whether we need to hold off on releasing our new plans until that new network capacity is online (sometime early to mid January), or whether we can get them out the door safely in mid December.
Thats roughly the envelope we're talking about, anyway - and as soon as we have been able to assess the impacts of the current growth curve against the promises for delivery of that (very major) new capacity, we'll make sure you know about it.
Regards, Simon Hackett
p.s. the decision to decouple this from my original aim of integrating it with SSM release remains unchanged - the point for us, now, is to release the 'Up to 8M' plans as soon as we can safely do so - and the network capacity question is now the key one in our minds. Or to put it another way: Those who forget the lessons learned by watching Optus' circuit performance of late risk beeing doomed to repeat them :) The idea is not to create a crisis and then thrash about to solve it - its to avoid the problem in the first place with the best possible planning in the circumstances, as those circumstances continue to evolve.
We have determined the release date for the Internode plans listed here:
www.internode.on.net/rc/rc3.html
The new plans will be orderable as of Jan 10th, 2007.
That means that plan changes can also be initiated on that date, with effective rollover dates starting on Jan 11th 2007 (or after).
While circumstances beyond our control may potentially modify that release, we currently have no reason to believe that date will move.
There will be a general notification to all Internode customers (via bulletin) of the upcoming new plan availability and of this release date, as soon as the SOHO and Biz ADSL plans are finalized, to go along with the existing HOME plan changes noted on the page above.
Important data points regarding the new plan release:
- Customers will NOT be automatically moved to ANY new plan. New plans will become available and in accordance with our terms and conditions we will provide customers with the OPTION to change plans IF they want to.
This process is the same one applied by Internode in practically all previous plan changes, for the same reasons:
Our contractual obligation is to provide our customers exactly what they signed up for - their current plan - and thats what they'll get until they make a decision of their own volition to move to a new plan. Its that simple. We can't and won't try to guess what a customer wants here - what may seem 'obvious' to one person is actually not obvious at all, in general.
Some pretty good prices there from Dodo although it still amazes me the huge differences in prices going around for internet atm. There's a $30 difference between Westnet and Dodo's 60GB plans, while Westnet have never been the "cheapest" you have to wonder are Dodo actually making anything out of their plans or are Westnet seriously screwing over people. Not just Westnet though even Internodes prices don't come close to Dodo. That's two big ISPs with pretty crappy pricing compared to Dodo.
I guess we'll see a bit more a few months down the track when things start to unfold a bit more.
im seriously torn between staying on my 1.5Mbps true unlimited plan or changing to the 8Mbps 150gb shaped plan - i know that i will go over 150gb limit every month as i do that on 1.5 already; and i really dont wanna be playing games online at 64Kbps for half of every month....sigh
dammit why cant ISPs shape down to a still decent speed like 512Kbps
64kbps is shit for CS, especially when u are playing against ppl closer to the server and on adsl2 with pings between 10-25 and your on pings between 150-200 or even higher
what other decent isp's are jumping aboard with new up to 8mbit plans?
i dont know if i wanna fork out the extra money for nodes 80gig plan as i feel what im paying now is a tad too much and the drop down to 40 will kill me.
i dont like the dodo plans all that much altho im still considering it a option.
Everyone Knight, might just need to give it some time for them to release their plans. I'm staying with Westnet, price sucks but i'll see how it turns out in the next few months.
a mate in karama is about 600m from the exchange and got his telstra 8mbit turned on he is connecting at around 3mbits and getting 250-280mbit downloads but his pings to australian servers havnt changed. (~100)
Quote from Jono;289931: That's shocking for 800m out. He should be at least over 6mbit if not pretty much full on 8 and yes latency isn't going to change. There isnt an exchange in Karama, its a RSS with ADSL equipment. Id say that it is about 4.5km from Casuarina exchange that is why the speed is lower or it connects from the RSS is on a RIM.
Quote from neotheo;289990: guess ull have to change ur sig now raker.....internode offers 8mbit to darwin :) Not yet, I still have a couple of weeks I think until they are provisioning it and ppl are using it :)
Quote: Internode Boosts US Capacity Ahead of New Plans National broadband company Internode will boost its network capacity to the US by 40 per cent immediately, using a fully redundant route via Asia provided by Australia-Japan Cable (AJC).
While the new link, which goes live in January 2007, will initially boost Internode?s Australia-US data traffic capacity by 40 per cent, it can more than double as required. Internode already has nearly 3 gigabits per second (Gbps) of dedicated capacity to the US via the Southern Cross Cable fibre-optic link.
This latest capacity increase dramatically boosts the performance resiliency and geographic diversity of Internode?s international network. Throughout 2006, Internode has experienced an unprecedented level of growth - doubling its size during the year - so this extra international capacity is key to underpinning the Internode network?s high-level performance with many extra customers.
Internode has signed a five-year agreement for AJC to supply an initial 1.2 Gbps capacity, with a simple upgrade path to 4.8 Gbps capacity - dual STM-16 - to meet increased demand from its ADSL2+ and ADSL customers. The company will also launch new enhanced ADSL1 plans, running as fast as 8 megabits per second (Mbps) once the new AJC link goes live on January 10, 2007.
Internode managing director Simon Hackett said the AJC deal gave Internode both extra capacity, which could grow as needed, and route redundancy, through the South Pacific and Asia. "We are doing this to make sure the Internode network continues to keep ahead of customer demand," he said.
"Our signup rate continues to grow, unabated, at rates higher than we?ve ever had before. Once the AJC link goes live, we will release our upgraded ADSL1 plans, which will create even more demand. We?re holding off on releasing our new plans because we don?t want capacity to run dry just before it is about to be expanded in a massive way."
"The beauty of the AJC link to the US is that it increases our capacity by 40 per cent - with the ability to more than double it as required - and provides us with route redundancy, via Japan, so our US links become disaster-proof - able to keep working even
To get the higher speeds have to get higher latency. Comes down the the Error protection like nature of 8mb ADSL/ADSL2+. Theres not much you can do to get a lower ping.
Quote from Deus Ex;291545: To get the higher speeds have to get higher latency. Comes down the the Error protection like nature of 8mb ADSL/ADSL2+. Theres not much you can do to get a lower ping.
Yup that's it, although i'm really not worried about that. In reality the difference isn't all that great and from my point of view the faster speeds far outweigh a little less latency.
After giving this a good run i'd have to honestly say anything much faster and it becomes a little too much when you have download caps to consider. A good ~80GB + cap would really only make ADSL2+ useful imo.
Considering at full speed i'm downloading roughly 50MB every minute, that's pretty damn sweet.
Hehehe it's funny watching you guys complain about pings.
This is mine. :(
Pinging www.gamers-underground.com [203.145.58.63] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 203.145.58.63: bytes=32 time=2691ms TTL=52 Reply from 203.145.58.63: bytes=32 time=1364ms TTL=52 Reply from 203.145.58.63: bytes=32 time=2318ms TTL=52 Reply from 203.145.58.63: bytes=32 time=824ms TTL=52
This is the wonderous technology known as vsat, which the govt deems as "comparable to broadband".... I get 3 gigs download at 512k for "15/month. Yep, comparable in all respects. (except for speed, latency, cost and number of outages)
Quote from Nemesis;291800: He's just a tad too far out at Howard Springs.
Nah, most of Howard Springs is covered now. It's just that the RIM i'm on is pair gain. Folks another km down the road further from the exchange are fine....
With all the folks near me that are eligible for a hibis grant, it's a pity we can't apply direct to the govt to give Tel$tra our $3000 each and have them upgrade our rim, instead of letting us fit crappy vsats all over the place.
Quote from jabsy: With all the folks near me that are eligible for a hibis grant, it's a pity we can't apply direct to the govt to give Tel$tra our $3000 each and have them upgrade our rim, instead of letting us fit crappy vsats all over the place. That's beaurocratic accounting for you. Time to write to your local member or the NT Minister for Comms.
lol, I had the same problem. Used IE which seems to have a longer time out and had to refresh a few times but finally got through. I had thought it was free to go to a higher plan, but apparently that was my last ISP.
With internode. It is free to go to A higher download limit, within the same Line speed. You get charged $20 if you change line speeds, this is a telstra.
yeah, $20 isn't much I can handle that. When I was with iiNet, if it cost more per month, it was free to upgrade. If it cost less per month, you had to pay a fee. (btw, I'm not complaining just explaining myself. $20 is exceptable for me.).
Service: ********* Service Details up to 8 Mbits/sec, 40000 Mb per Month Service Type Home / SOHO ADSL Line Number 08894******** Internode Service ID N830123 (Quote this if you need to contact us) Initial Data Entry Date Fri May 26 2006 Overall Status Service change being processed (e.g. speed change) Carrier Advice ADSL Modification Request In Progress Carrier for ADSL Port Telstra
Whoa nodes min charge is $80/month for 20G at 8Mb whilst ADSL2+is $60 for 20G at 24Mb WTF?!?! Is this right? 80 bucks is too much, at a guess that'd be on par with Bigpond
Quote from Evil @ngel;293242: Whoa nodes min charge is $80/month for 20G at 8Mb whilst ADSL2+is $60 for 20G at 24Mb WTF?!?! Is this right? 80 bucks is too much, at a guess that'd be on par with Bigpond
Are you kidding!!! *Looks at sig*
Telstra charge $89.95 for 12 gig limit same speed.. oo and dont go over your limit.. they will charge you per mb
And the adsl2 prices are right.. its cheaper for node to use there own hardware for adsl2 than it is to use telstra gear..
Hmm i dont think the missus will go for almost "000 a year just for faster porn :( If anyone gets this where i live in Brinkin Nakara area would be nice to know what your line speed turns out to be.
Quote from Evil @ngel;293242: Whoa nodes min charge is $80/month for 20G at 8Mb whilst ADSL2+is $60 for 20G at 24Mb WTF?!?! Is this right? 80 bucks is too much, at a guess that'd be on par with Bigpond
Its because the ADSL2+ are on Agile (Internode's sister company) ports. The cost of their own DSLAMs versus a port on Telstra wholesale is why there's such a difference, illustrating the extra cost involved because they're using Telstra equipment on 8M.
Quote from RakeR;293279: Telstra doesnt charge for uploads
BigPond "include" uploads in there allowance.
Sig will be Changed or Removed when:
1. Speed test results are posted from Darwin users 2. Bigpond bashing banners are taken down
Quote from "Telstra website":
1. Usage (MB and GB) means combined upload and download data transfer allowed per month (except for some traffic provided from time to time by BigPond at no cost). For the purposes of calculating usage, 1 Gigabyte = 1000 Megabytes. Unused usage forfeited. Additional usage charged at $0.15/MB.
Quote from mepm;293317: Telstra/BigPond is bad enough for bill gates to say they are keeping australia held back
face facts, they are expensive and they do not offer the same broadband services that are available elsewhere in the world
how long did it take them to unrestrict the adsl line speed?
we are years behind some 3rd world countries when it comes to broadband speed/availability
overpriced and stale.
Its good to see you throwing your opinion around like its fact.
1.Telstra/BigPond isnt holding anyone back 2.What broadband services? 3.Obviously long enough for there to be a demand for it 4.Years hey, which 3rd World Countries? What do they have? How big is this Country? Whats there population? Does it have Government ownership of the network or is it Public? 5.Overpriced - Matter of Opinion. Stale? What makes it stale?
I dont know about you but I think there is many questions to be answered and unless you are looking at Like for Like then I think some of those answers wont hold water to any of your claim.
Quote from close001;293329: So "30 for 900 0dd MB ad 256 speed isn't over priced? oh, add the monthly charge on top, go ahead, try find an internet deal like that... Maybe you should stop smoking what ever your smoking cause if your talking about BigPond they dont have plan that looks anything like that.
What I see is 256/64 with 12GB Shaped for $59.95.
When the daze clears maybe check it out over at http://my.bigpond.com/internetplans/broadband/adsl/plans/
on the 265 limit with 200mb limit, which is no where near enough just for a decent amount of web surfin, well i didnt DL a thing in a month, and managed to get up to just under 1gb...aint gunna pay $60 a month for 12gb when i can pay $50 a month for 30gb with twice the speed.
and i wouldnt blame you for that close001 who in there right mind would pay such a huge amount for a crappy service?
lol.. errr ill make my customers use a 200 meg limit and charge them a crap load on excess even tho it doesnt even cost that much for the excess in the first place
Bigpond have an important purpose, they take advantage of ignorant people.
and they do it really really well, because people just sign up every day and don't even look at what anyone else is offering. So ultimately you can all shut up and deal with it, you aren't with telstra, but you probably know several people who are.
If you can offer minimum services, and get people to pay through the nose for it, you'll do it, no questions asked. I know I would, and hence I support Bigpond entirely.
I wouldn't buy their product though, because I have advanced book learnin'
Quote from close001;293333: on the 265 limit with 200mb limit, which is no where near enough just for a decent amount of web surfin, well i didnt DL a thing in a month, and managed to get up to just under 1gb...aint gunna pay $60 a month for 12gb when i can pay $50 a month for 30gb with twice the speed.
Well I hope you contacted them to plead you case so they could do something about it and offer you some credits?
Were you using the BP tool bar that constantly shows you how much you have downloaded each hour?
Were you getting the emails at each level 50%, 80%, 100% etc that would have in my mind say, why am I going thru my allowance so quickly, I should investigate otherwise Ill go over and be charged the 15c/MB.
There are many things that BP have to inform you about your usage.
If you have issues with setting up any of the above contact BigPond on 133933 if you with them still.
Quote from RakeR;293328: Its good to see you throwing your opinion around like its fact.
1.Telstra/BigPond isnt holding anyone back what would you call limiting the adsl line speed by a fith for over 5 years?
2.What broadband services? please. we were all on dial-up when the rest of the world was enjoying the speeds of cable/dsl for years.
3.Obviously long enough for there to be a demand for it that statement is just lame. there was always a demand for it, bigpond just didnt care
4.Years hey, which 3rd World Countries? What do they have? How big is this Country? Whats there population? Does it have Government ownership of the network or is it Public? ADSL became available in 2000 in Australia at only a maximum of 1500/256 - Countires such as Egypt had it before us at speeds of 2048/512. South Africa had 4096/384 when they first got ADSL, Mexico 4Mbps/1Mbps - need i go on? oh and did i mention all of these countries access is cheaper than BigPong ever has been, and thats in USD
5.Overpriced - Matter of Opinion. Stale? What makes it stale? Its not opinion, its fact. BigPong's plans are VERY expensive compared to their competition or compared to their overseas comparisons. STALE - how can you say its not? stuck at speeds of 1.5Mbps for 6 years and still not available to everyone?
I dont know about you but I think there is many questions to be answered and unless you are looking at Like for Like then I think some of those answers wont hold water to any of your claim. DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP BEING SO BIASED
Well good luck with that
build a bridge, and just hope it isnt a bigpong network one :P
Considering the fact that I live in Tiwi in an area that Telstra claims I cannot get ADSL, and the fact that I have had ADSL since its inception. Only due to constent complaints to Telstra when i was with them. then again when i moved to internode below is my current 8mb speed. Satisfied with the increase, funny thing is it fluctuates depending on what I use. This speed test shows 5.64mbs..Newsleecher comes down at between 460 and 560kbs downloads from Internodes mirror are up to 720kbs. A little bit of tweeking is needed i think. I am aware that i will not be able to obtain the full speed and that my pings will be a little slower but my downloads will be so much faster.... [`[*Test Results*]`] [(---------------------------------- Test run on [*11/01/2007*] @ [*12:40 PM*]
Mirror: [*Internode*] Data: [*3 MB*] Test Time: [*4.34 secs*]
Your line speed is [*5.64 Mbps*] (5640 kbps). Your download speed is [*705 KB/s*] (0.69 MB/s). )]