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A poll was released about midnight by the Australian which shows Rudd way out in front in the voter popularity stakes.
Though in my experience, Australian voters have a wicked sense of humour. They'd say "Rudd" just to see the backbenchers scramble.
Regardless, this is likely to be the final nail in poor old Beazley's political career. Personally I think Kimbo would make a much better PM than Rudd, but I guess I'm not in caucus, eh?
no one CARES you politically obsessed fool wait till something actually happens before posting.
The people will vote for anyone thats not howard cause of the the industry crap he pulled.
PS every single post you have ever written is long winded and the literal content of which could have been delivered in a tenth the words (if not less). My point being you need to learn not to bore the f*ck out of people cause 90% of people on this forum just skip reading your posts.
PPS its late and your a pompous f*cker so i felt like giving you this friendly msg
I care.
Quote from phillip;288046:
PPS its late and your a pompous f*cker so i felt like giving you this friendly msg
Mate, as one zoloft user to another, I think you forgot to take your meds this morning.
lol no shit eh.
Phillip - ease up.
El Pres, while being long winded, always has something of interest to say given the time to actually read what he's written :p
As for Beasley, I dunno. He's the kind of guy you love to hate.
It would be 'sad' to see the pinata (sp) leave office.
Quote from El Presidente;288048:
Mate, as one zoloft user to another, I think you forgot to take your meds this morning.
Malowned
Seriously dude, WTS [Happy] PST
Not many people like Howard but labour hasn't had a strong enough leader, I think the change would be good.
Polls seem to suggest people favour Rudd over Howard.
The Australian people are getting sick of the CLP, its time for a change.
Quote from Milenko;288055:
lol no shit eh.
Phillip - ease up.
El Pres, while being long winded, always has something of interest to say given the time to actually read what he's written :p
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No no he doesn't. :)
Beasley should be where he is best at, Defence.
Quote from phillip;288046:
PS every single post you have ever written is long winded and the literal content of which could have been delivered in a tenth the words (if not less). My point being you need to learn not to bore the f*ck out of people cause 90% of people on this forum just skip reading your posts.
ROFL I only counted three sentences.
Rudd won easy.
Should be interesting to see what he does now.
Phillip = dowhat?
ban?
Quote from phillip;284822:
DoWhat NT
works for me
why ban everyone who creates drama?
who's gonna step up and fill the void?
banned for avoiding his previous ban, nothing to do with this thread.
His last ban still had 600 days on it :P
I just read some articles on News.com.au regarding this. Forgot that this was going on today.
Came across this little doozey.
http://blogs.news.com.au/news/blogocracy/index.php/news/
Is it just me, or do you also get a weird sence of dejavu, almost as though you've seen this somewhere before? Say on Fox News on the OReily report?
Slanderous reporting? I guess you can't expect much from a blogger.
lol.
Phillip, go wait out your 2 years! :P
Quote from SperO;288059:
Not many people like Howard but labour hasn't had a strong enough leader, I think the change would be good.
Polls seem to suggest people favour Rudd over Howard.
The Australian people are getting sick of the CLP, its time for a change.
I'm tempted to vote for Rudd in the hope that Howard will be replaced by Costello after a loss.
Quote from SperO;288059:
The Australian people are getting sick of the CLP, its time for a change.
Is "time for a change" a good enough reason to bring in the same people who fraked up the country last time?
Curious out of the bs I pull most of the time, I've still yet to be banned.
Don't even think about it paladin lol.
you might be borderline incoherent when it comes to posts longer than a couple of sentences, but you're generally not a disruption, so more power to you :)
say what you.
Quote from Evil @ngel;288112:
Is "time for a change" a good enough reason to bring in the same people who fraked up the country last time?
Oh and Howard is doing such a wonderful job at the moment.
interest rates have never been higher
taxes are through the roof
Quote from SperO;288146:
interest rates have never been higher
taxes are through the roof
Excuse me? I don't remember interest rates hitting 17% (maybe the 80's under Hawke/Keating were too long away?).
Taxes through the roof? We certainly have higher taxes in this country than most, but as of last financial year I got a pay rise due to the change in tax brackets being a bit more reasonable.
well I've got jack shit from howard, what little rights we did have are out the fscking door.
Screw you Johnny you hippy !
:D
The new work relations system in place, is a better thing then what was going on before. I may not like Johnny, but the reality is, Labor as it stand now, (or did with Beazleybub) was junk. We'll see what Rudd brings to the table. Hopefully he won't be a whiney bitch and disagree on principle.
And ALP need to get off their high moral horse on Nuclear Power.
um... you realise john howard has pretty much no control over interest rates right?
interest rates depend on the economy which depend on the way the country is run. Also factors of cyclone damage, drought etc. Basically inflation
Bad economic management means higher interest rates.. So whilst Howard might not be directly responsible his leadership has a part in it. I really don't think going to war helped our economy at all.
Quote from uber tard;288200:
um... you realise john howard has pretty much no control over interest rates right?
if that's the case, why do they bandy about interest rates at election time?
What exactly have they done which you would call bad economic management? There have been a whole bunch of supply-side shocks (oil prices, drought, etc.) which have put pressure on the CPI and underlying inflation, though trying to control that through demand management (fiscal or monetary policy) is counter-productive.
edit: ^ because voters are stupid and they can get away with it. not picking on you in particular but I reckon economics 101 should be mandatory in highschools, so people can't get away with DIY economics. so often people without a clue but good intentions say some stupid things because they don't have a basic level of economic literacy. the road to hell is paved with good intentions. though howard saying he can control interest rates is just a down right lie and one which people have been lapping up.
/rant
<< 3rd year eco student.
so technicaly isn't the road to heaven paved with bad intentions? If thats the case, damn im soo in.
Also too, wouldn't you say that basic economics is just the observation of how people spend their money and is just and ideology? Without any major hard proven proof how market fluctuates and expand? Or just some general very basic guidelines about economics that tend typically just to state the obvious and keep people employed?
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so technicaly isn't the road to heaven paved with bad intentions? If thats the case, damn im soo in.
A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square...
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Also too, wouldn't you say that basic economics is just the observation of how people spend their money and is just and ideology?
No, basic economics is understanding how markets work and fail. Having a basic understanding of how macroeconomic variables interact and affect our lives. Sure there's ideology in a lot of economics, but basic mainstream theory is accepted by just about everybody.
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Without any major hard proven proof how market fluctuates and expand? Or just some general very basic guidelines about economics that tend typically just to state the obvious and keep people employed?
What... that seriously doesn't make any sense to me... Any "proven proof" about how markets work? Do you understand what a market is? Markets always change and they always will because they are the interactions of economics agents who are always changing. Could you please give me an example of a basic economic guideline that states the obvious and keeps people employed? Because it seriously sounds to me like you're completely ignorant about this and you're just trying to stir shit...
Firstly you getting yourself upset for no apparent reason. Second, I don't know much about economics or microeconomics, so I was asking some vag questions that poped into my head well wrting the post.
Finaly, if you have such a intrusted belief and understanding of economics as your post highlights then I should expect you to be rolling in money. But i would choose that is highly un-likly because most wealthy people i know have better things to do with their time than post on a forum about economics.
Yes theory is one thing, but when you put theory to practice you typicaly find that theory falls over backwards because of the complexitys and micro interactions with smaller objects in the real world.
Also their isn't any one mainstream theory that everyone accepts, different cultuers and social groups accept different theory's.
Haha, who's upset?
Quote from uber tard:
<< 3rd year eco student.
Students are always rolling around in money aren't they. And money is just money. I could be a millionaire and still prefer to post on a forum, all that would mean is that I gain more utility from posting on forums than from millions of dollars. That's an economic theory called "revealed preferences" =]
Quote from chad:
Yes theory is one thing, but when you put theory to practice you typicaly find that theory falls over backwards because of the complexitys and micro interactions with smaller objects in the real world.
then...
Quote from chad:
Second, I don't know much about economics or microeconomics
If you don't know anything about economics how can you possibly try to argue that the theory doesn't hold up... I agree that there are some theories that don't hold in the real world, there are also some real world scenarios that can't be explained by theory, or at least not yet. But how is that any different from any other social or physical science? Generally speaking economic theory is continually advancing and you can't deny that it isn't a serious contributor to our ever-rising standards of living. Why does the RBA target inflation instead of exchange rates or GDP? Why don't governments print money to fund deficits anymore? Why has the size of government fallen since the 50s and 60s? Why don't governments try to directly manipulate the economy through fiscal policy anymore? Economic theory being put into practice has made everyone's lives better...
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Also their isn't any one mainstream theory that everyone accepts, different cultuers and social groups accept different theory's.
then...
Quote from chad:
Second, I don't know much about economics or microeconomics
If you don't know anything about economics how can you try to argue this as well? You clearly don't know what you're talking about because there is well documented literature of mainstream economic theory that is accepted by the vast marjority of economists. There are also more radical schools of thought but generally speaking there is a generally accepted foundation of theory which is a rough mixture of Chicago and New-Keynesian schools.
Anyway I'm off for now, you have a fantastic day chad.
Interestingly, although interest rates have been LOTS higher than they are at present, the percentage of income devoted to interest repayments is higher now than when rates were at 17%.
Yep, it was "easier" (comparatively) for someone to buy their home at 17% than it is now.
np.
Thanks for the info, got the answers to the questions I originaly wanted.
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Interestingly, although interest rates have been LOTS higher than they are at present, the percentage of income devoted to interest repayments is higher now than when rates were at 17%.
Yep, it was "easier" (comparatively) for someone to buy their home at 17% than it is now.
Hey I got that labour propaganda (from Crossin) in my mailbox to! Maybe it is true but they have provided no evidence to prove this. Apart from a dodgy poorly set out graph which just smells like BS to me.
The government has at best very very little control over interest rates. Rates are controlled by the reserve bank which is not under the jurisdiction of the Oz Gov, and influenced mostly by international economic forces including the price of oil and metals which have all gone through the roof. Our interest rates are roughly equivalent to most of the world at the moment.
And who was it that said elpres posts are too big
the guy that got banned for saying it
Well 20 years ago my dad was probably earning around 25 grand and brought his first house for 60.
Present time, the average wage is about 30 grand the average house price is 300 maybe more.
So 20 years ago a house was 2.5 times your wage now houses are 10x the average wage.
Its more difficult to buy a home then it was 20 years ago. Even harder with rising interest rates.
And thats a fact.
Quote from Evil @ngel;288280:
Hey I got that labour propaganda (from Crossin) in my mailbox to! Maybe it is true but they have provided no evidence to prove this. Apart from a dodgy poorly set out graph which just smells like BS to me.
The government has at best very very little control over interest rates. Rates are controlled by the reserve bank which is not under the jurisdiction of the Oz Gov, and influenced mostly by international economic forces including the price of oil and metals which have all gone through the roof. Our interest rates are roughly equivalent to most of the world at the moment.
So why is Howard proclaiming he can keep interest rates low? He bandies around 'record lows' terminology, although not so much anymore. And howard is also putting out his dodgy little graphs too, they will both do exactly same tactics, make no mistake about that.
If you listen to Rudd he is saying all the right things(good 7:30 report interview last night also). Keep an open mind, vote with your brain not with emotions or preconcieved ideas. (Eg that Howard is the only one who can fiscally manage Oz, because if you do he has just pulled the wool over your eyes yet again - and proving that you can fool all of the people all of the time). Remember our kids will have to put up with the crap in politics that goes on today. It would be nice to have a PM that actually worked for the betterment of Australia, not just working to win the next term. But now i'm living in la-la land.
Quote from Frenzy;288315:
It would be nice to have a PM that actually worked for the betterment of Australia, not just working t win the next term. But now i'm living in la-la land.
Here's the problem: nobody can agree on who is who. I think that personally I should be made Prime Minister. I'd be there 6 months before quitting, repeal a lot legislation, cut a lot of taxes and close a lot of departments. Tens of thousands of public servants would be fired and tens of billions of dollars clawed back. I'd be enormously unpopular and would be reviled for a few decades until people worked out I'd been correct all along.
But who is going to vote for me? You? Liberal supporters? Labor supporters? Greens? People with a pet policy or special interest I'm going to axe? The average voter who doesn't care until they discover I plan to turn off public subsidies for all sporting events?
That's my point. People:
a. Can't agree on what should be done, and
b. Vote for liars who tell them what they wanted to hear.
It's really an awful system, democracy. Flawed, inefficient, riddled with problems and systemic deficiencies. Yet is by far the best technology - especially the Australian model - we have for solving problems which could only otherwise be settled with wars.
“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”
Winston Churchill
edit: \/ haha =]
Quote from uber tard;288347:
?It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.?
Winston Churchill
When I take mercy on all of you, I will appoint Winston Churchill to summarise all of my posts. :D
Quote from uber tard;288347:
?It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.?
Winston Churchill
i learned that from Civ4
who said games dont teach you anything
Quote from El Presidente;288346:
But who is going to vote for me? You? Liberal supporters? Labor supporters? Greens? People with a pet policy or special interest I'm going to axe? The average voter who doesn't care until they discover I plan to turn off public subsidies for all sporting events?
I'd vote for you but i'm sorry I have promised my vote to a work colleague. He has harsher measures which include dictatorship, culling of certain humankind, and making many people very unhappy. We also figured he'd be widely unpopular but he'd fix much about australia/politics in the short space they will let him live.:p
Quote from Evil @ngel;288280:
Hey I got that labour propaganda (from Crossin) in my mailbox to! Maybe it is true but they have provided no evidence to prove this. Apart from a dodgy poorly set out graph which just smells like BS to me.
Smelled like propaganda to me too, so being the sceptic I am, I surveyed both my parents and my wife's parents to see if I could gain some numbers (albeit rough) to confirm or refute such claims. The numbers agreed with the data they presented.
As SperO suggests this is to do with housing prices increasing far faster than wages.
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As SperO suggests this is to do with housing prices increasing far faster than wages.
Which in turn has a lot to do with:
1. Slow land releases.
2. Low interest rates.
3. Negative gearing.