Marlows Lagoon Fireworks, not for the faint hearted?

Well we couldnt get into mindil beach in time, so we went to marlows for the local fire works display last night.

I dont mind a good fireworks display at all, and for Darwin the one at marlows was pretty good.

However, I do believe there wasnt much thought put into the display as the fireworks were very close to the crowd.

Im talking close enough that the explosion of the firework in the sky could be seen clear as day (the bang part) .. I also noted the fireworks left overs hitting the tree above my head (baby in arms) and fireworks not burnt out landing in with the crowd.

It was good, however I think somebody forgot about the safety part. There was no directions, it was roped off though so that was good, however there are still idiots around who throw fireworks into a crowd.

How was mindil?

Mindil was great. It was absolutely packed! Parking was a bitch and leaving was even worse, especially if you left after the fireworks like everyone else :p

Fireworks display was excellent. Also there didn't seem to be any idiots lighting crackers in crowds which was great :D

i was drunken phyro last night :D

yeh mindil was good even if your drunk.

http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/02/1967089.htm?section=justin

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Man's eye blown out by firework

Darwin police say a man has lost an eye after a firecracker exploded in front of his face last night during Territory Day celebrations.

It is believed the 27-year-old man from the Darwin suburb of Wagaman leant over the cracker when it erupted unexpectedly.

Darwin Watch Commander Andrew Heath says the man has had surgery at the Royal Darwin Hospital.

"It had the potential to do more than just cause him to become blind," he said. "So that was the serious one for the night."

Meanwhile police are trying to find out what caused a fire in a police car parked outside the Mitchell Street Police Station last night.

Police say front desk officers grabbed fire extinguishers when they noticed the fire at about 10:30pm local time

At Darwin's biggest celebration of 29 years of self government, huge boxes of fireworks went up in smoke.

Thousands of people enjoyed watching revellers set off their own stash, before a huge display was launched from barges floating off Mindil Beach.

Royal Darwin Hospital, St Johns Ambulance and the Fire Service all had extra crews at the ready last night to respond to the expected mishaps.

pala, you have to come back up again some year so we can recreate the Coke Bottles of Ultimate Dhoom - signal flares are a tad harder to get a hold of now though as dad sold his shop...

Last night was alot tamer than most years, at least in Nakara it was.

God I was at Lee Point beach and I felt it was more dangerous then ever...

Our spot was hit by exploding fireworks no less then five times. A couple even exploded right behind my chair. I actually like the odd mishap keeps things exciting but this was ridiculous... I was so paranoid by the end of the night every bang made my heart stop...

Quote from Aegis;312884:
pala, you have to come back up again some year so we can recreate the Coke Bottles of Ultimate Dhoom - signal flares are a tad harder to get a hold of now though as dad sold his shop...

dont forget crazy-cyalume-coated-running-through-the-scrub-guy!

Last nite was the last one guys..from an inside source.

The buck has been transferred from Worksafe to the Cops to be responsible for fireworks and they dont want to do it.

I reckon it will be gone soon. And I support it..too many fking idiots.

in regards to "responsibility"

as in how ?? setting them off on teh saturday? or determining what is ok and what isnt?

I cant see how any Fireworks regulations, outside of selling them can be enforced or policed.

the cops were out in force sunday night fining people up to 2k for setting them off after 11pm.

Thank christ for that because I was trying to sleep

I know why they want to ban it.. i saw a number of Kids with fireworks shooting them at eachother. these kids as well set alight a few trees and the fires had to come down and put them out..
I wouldent be surprised if they get banned soon which really sucks cause i last night had a fun night.. 1 or 2 crackers did fall over and there were close calls but thats the fun of it.. i knew that risk. there should be a ban on fireworks where the public displays are. they should only open fireworks for sale on the day 8am till 6pm.. police should have more power to take fireworks off people under 18 and to people who are causeing trouble throwing them out of there moving cars, shooting them at people or people who are under the influence.. i would say theres 80% of the problem solved.
mabey some SES people as well on the scene with some power to do the same. on the spot fines might work too..
but you see that too much effort for the NTG.. like everything else.. BAN!!!

Its not too much effort, how do u police the entire territory all at the one time?

I have to agree with Coco that banning it is the right idea. Instead hold a big public event .. ie Newyears Sydney styles. Actually spend some money on the display.

I mean the gov't is going to lose the election because everybody in the NT is so one minded, they should just ban the fireworks now. its not going to change anything ..

Quote from OverDrive;312882:
It is believed the 27-year-old man from the Darwin suburb of Wagaman leant over the cracker when it erupted unexpectedly.

Natural selection at its best? Lit the firework didnt go off, lets lean over and look?

poor guy he was due to be married soon to. From what I heard he wasn't being an idiot...just a bad mistake :/

at 27 years of ago tho you should know not to go looking at a cracker that didnt go off. heck its written on every cracker you buy.
i wouldnt like to see them banned but they should only sell a certian few, some of the less dangerous ones like the bees and shower things
these huge 18shot bangers too often tople over and cause strife.

I used to love fireworks, would get heaps each year. Ive been setting them off since I was a little fella. Last year was the first time I thought I would like to see them banned. I think this year was worse, the next few weeks will see how many more people/fkheads have to let off. As is normally the case we have the morons messing up the day for the rest of us. Unless we can set some kind of IQ requirement for fireworks there is nothing to do except ban them.

As for the guy who lent over a lit explosive device, what a tool. May lose his other eye too word has it. Just one more example of the lack of respect people have for the bombs we get to play with each year.

Thats right Unseen, who's resposibility is it and who is to enforce it.
The cops have realised its pretty futile, Worksafe got sent home from Mindil last year because it became too dangerous and they couldnt enforce anything so they have given it up, all they do now is check the licenses and the store openings etc. The rest got left to the cops, the cops realise its impossible.

Hence the talk saying that this year was the last. Should be interesting to see what happens the next few months, there is a lot of money in crackers so some will fight it.

Yeah, I wasn't for the banning of fireworks a few years ago, but I have to admit that I've since changed my tune.

One of the guys here at work had a lit cracker thrown into his moving car.

Spoze we might as well be like the the rest of Australia,
no open speed limits, ban on cracker nights, points on our driving license.

-Rip

lets not mention the fire work lit UNDER a cop car .. I mean WTF ..

Quote from Rip;312913:
Spoze we might as well be like the the rest of Australia,
no open speed limits, ban on cracker nights, points on our driving license.

-Rip

Stay off the band wagon, we are discussing fireworks .. not other things that have been introduced.

If you have an opinion on fireworks then by all means voice it. Lets hear it .. But from everybody I have spoken too. They agree that fireworks are good in the small range, however in the larger explosion range, seems to attract the dickheads.

I guess i have a different look now considering I go for the family and not just myself.

i remember about 3 years ago kurt a few GU mob went to the beach and was lighting the fireworks and there was one dickhead lighting them and throwing them at people.. and lighting fireworks and tipped them over and shit..

his name was Kurt (aka Unseen) :o
sorry but i have never been with someone else that stupid around fireworks before and Since. Funny how people change :p

rofl I remember that.
Was a few years ago now though, we've matured a bit since then :p

Again .. I never said I was perfect in this thread .. and I believe I was around 17 when I did that .. so more then 3 years.

and yes ALOT has changed since then .. I agree though it was stupid and havnt done it since but like all people at that age, they do stupid things.

MY main grief now looking at the family side is people that do that stupid stuff near familys in a highly populated area.

hahaha Unseen, but just proof that everyone posting in this topic is most likely a hypocrite.

Oh it was funny when you were young but now that your old and boring (*cough evil & coco*) it should be banned

Heh no offense fellas just kidding around :D

Me, I've never done the stupid fireworks thing. I have been going to lee point beach with my family ever since I lived in Darwin (18 years now) It's one of my favourite family traditions... If it gets banned I'm seriously going to be upset that stupid tools (usually males - sorry but its true) ruined it for me.

i agree with you there kurt.. no fireworks at all near public displays.. 1 or 2 kms exclusion i think should do it.
If they let any off cops just take all there crackers.. and $500 fine!! they wont do it again i bet.

EDIT: sif blame it all on males spero..

blame it on the rain

Quote from Unseen;312914:
lets not mention the fire work lit UNDER a cop car .. I mean WTF ..

Oh no it was IN the car outside of the cop shop in town. Just got all the electronics from that car dropped off here to work, covered in dry chem extinguisher dust, the powders corrosive as all hell. At least 5k in damaged goods could be as high as 20-25k.

Simple - have cracker night in the middle of the wet ;)

Quote from paladin;312922:
blame it on the rain

Don't blame it on sunshine.

sunshine, my lovely sunshine you make me happy when skys are grey.....

Im a big fan of it but even I have had a gutfull of the idiots. I had to pick up a friend around 1-130 am on sunday because some idiots aimed a mutli shot at her car and blew in the side window she refused to drive her car home and I can't blame her. im only 19 and ive never acted stupid around explosives of any sort.

LOL Spero your right too.

I've had cracker nights before when I was younger that were extremely dangerous :) I've done stupid things with crackers as well.

Maybe it is just an age thing :)

Canberra fireworks sucks no one lets off anything. :(

;)

berry springs fireworks were good, but scary. one of the launchers of the big main display (apparently set up by professionals) fell over and nailed a family. another one failed and shot a plume of flame so hot that we could feel it from across the oval.

fireworks would be the safest thing in the world if the world wasn't so full of morons. same as driving.

I think they should make it leagal all year long between say 7 at nite till 10 maybe 11 on special days. I'm personally not a big fan any more but with only being on 1 day ppl get to hyper about the whole thing and stupidness and accidents occur.

ok first of all, banning fireworks wont solve the problem it might reduce the issue but it will still happen.

people horde these things for years after, and thats usually the ones that blow up.

not to mention people were lighting crackers as early as thursday night, and the cops dont do sweet fck all about it.

second of all; most of the big fireworks ARE already banned for the NT so dont bother about getting the big ones banned cause they already are.
hell if you take a look at what is actually available in the are of consumer grade (not commercial, hell they are even bigger and all it takes to get em is an explosives licence) fireworks you would be thankful (500g+ 5-60 shot cakes and 16" sidewinder missiles)

so if people want to be stupid with crackers, well then maybe the police should actually at least try and do something, instead of just banning them and spoiling it for everyone.

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ok first of all, banning fireworks wont solve the problem it might reduce the issue but it will still happen.

people horde these things for years after, and thats usually the ones that blow up.

not to mention people were lighting crackers as early as thursday night, and the cops dont do sweet fck all about it.

second of all; most of the big fireworks ARE already banned for the NT so dont bother about getting the big ones banned cause they already are.
hell if you take a look at what is actually available in the are of consumer grade (not commercial, hell they are even bigger and all it takes to get em is an explosives licence) fireworks you would be thankful (500g+ 5-60 shot cakes and 16" sidewinder missiles)

so if people want to be stupid with crackers, well then maybe the police should actually at least try and do something, instead of just banning them and spoiling it for everyone.

memp, what a load of shit your post was. wake up to yourself
lets look at it, keeping in mind i like cracker night and dont want it banned

banning it will solve problems, cause crackers wouldnt be going off at random from the start of sales to a few days after the end. why? cause they wont be for sale, people cant walk in a shop and grab them wan walk outside and light them. it will stop all the work the dcc have to do in cleaning up, the rspca finding animals, the hospital looking after burns and such and the media listening to people complain for and against the cracker celebrations.

about people lighting crackers thursday and friday and sat night and the cops doing nothing about it. how do you expect the darwin police force in particular to send a squad car to every explosion you see or hear? it is impossible.

re you last paragraph, what can u suggest police do to help resolve the cracker situation?

Quote from Milenko;312930:
Don't blame it on sunshine.
blame it on the boogie!!!

I think it's an awesome tradition! I’ve been letting them off since I was old enough to work a lighter! I completely defend it and I don't want it banned at all.

A public display should be put on with no personal fireworks allowed. If you want to be safe and sound and don’t want exposure to the nasty, dangerous fireworks – go to this! Or even a more simple solution, STAY HOME.

I am sick and tired of the wowsers! Stop putting a stop to all the fun stuff just because you don’t like it.
Just stay home, leave the pyrotechnics to the rest of us.

Quote from Knight Of Nih;312954:
memp, what a load of shit your post was. wake up to yourself
lets look at it, keeping in mind i like cracker night and dont want it banned

banning it will solve problems, cause crackers wouldnt be going off at random from the start of sales to a few days after the end. why? cause they wont be for sale, people cant walk in a shop and grab them wan walk outside and light them. it will stop all the work the dcc have to do in cleaning up, the rspca finding animals, the hospital looking after burns and such and the media listening to people complain for and against the cracker celebrations.

about people lighting crackers thursday and friday and sat night and the cops doing nothing about it. how do you expect the darwin police force in particular to send a squad car to every explosion you see or hear? it is impossible.

re you last paragraph, what can u suggest police do to help resolve the cracker situation?

except...

1. crackers were going off before sales - people buy them illegally and also horde them from the many years before

2. if the pet owners are too stupid to lock their animals up thats there problem - i have cats and dogs; all of which were locked up before dark

3. stupid people will always find a way to burn themselves on territory day, they dont need crackers. signal flares/bonfires/sparklers/home made bangers anyone?

4. i doubt very much the media care about people complaining, it gives them something to put on the front page. the more things go wrong, the more papers they sell.

5. err random police patrols? its not hard to see where the crackers are coming from, by the time one is finished going off and they are in the middle of lighting the next one they can find em easily

Quote from lrinaldi;312957:
I think it's an awesome tradition! I?ve been letting them off since I was old enough to work a lighter! I completely defend it and I don't want it banned at all.

A public display should be put on with no personal fireworks allowed. If you want to be safe and sound and don?t want exposure to the nasty, dangerous fireworks ? go to this! Or even a more simple solution, STAY HOME.

I am sick and tired of the wowsers! Stop putting a stop to all the fun stuff just because you don?t like it.
Just stay home, leave the pyrotechnics to the rest of us.

How about you tell that to my friend who had to pay for the repair to her car window.

Memp the police already do random patrols.

shrug, if they weren't throwing fireworks at the windows they probably would have found something else to throw. how about we ban rocks too?

Quote from paladin;312969:
shrug, if they weren't throwing fireworks at the windows they probably would have found something else to throw. how about we ban rocks too?

I would hope your not refering to my friends car window because THEY aimed a ****ING multi shot at her car so forgive me if I dont see your logic if thats the case.

Quote from paladin;312969:
shrug, if they weren't throwing fireworks at the windows they probably would have found something else to throw. how about we ban rocks too?

QFT.

Quote from neoblazer;312970:
I would hope your not refering to my friends car window because THEY aimed a ****ING multi shot at her car so forgive me if I dont see your logic if thats the case.

I'd guess he was.

He is right tho, i've had rocks chucked at me while driving, a firework just gives it a pretty feel to it.

Quote from neoblazer;312970:
I would hope your not refering to my friends car window because THEY aimed a ****ING multi shot at her car so forgive me if I dont see your logic if thats the case.

so what? my point is idiots will be idiots with the tools at hand. if they didnt have the firework, they likely would have been using slingshots, or throwing rocks or something else.

take away one tool, and they'll pick up another.

Quote from paladin;312972:
so what? my point is idiots will be idiots with the tools at hand. if they didnt have the firework, they likely would have been using slingshots, or throwing rocks or something else.

take away one tool, and they'll pick up another.

Theres a HUGE difference a rock doesn't blow up increasing the potiental for harm 10 fold.

i agree rocks only hurt for awhile as fireworks leave burns i know i had sevral fireworks throne at me on sunday night and a friend of mine had a tomthumb throne in her coat.. so i think that they should ban fireworks night to remove on of the more darnerous items that can be thone at ppl from market as there is noting wrong wid a plane old rock but fireworks hurt like all hell

Quote from neoblazer;312974:
Theres a HUGE difference a rock doesn't blow up increasing the potiental for harm 10 fold.

perhaps they don't blow up, but they certainly kill and are just as likely to cause a driver to respond in shock, causing accidents.

Quote from paladin;312976:
perhaps they don't blow up, but they certainly kill and are just as likely to cause a driver to respond in shock, causing accidents.

that maybe the case but id would rather a rock then a fire work obviously you've never seen the resulting injuries from a fire crack in close proxity THEY aren't pretty fireworks can deathen (yes I know its spelt wrong)someone.

Yes a rock can kill but the force required to do that is alot greater then a explosive device propelled by gunpowder.

yer i usually like the crackers, have to agree it needs to be banned, in moil last night, some barstard had illegal fireworks, everyone elses was like pop pop, then ka-blam.. sounded like a grenade or shotgun rattled the windows, eater caught little buggers filling exhaust pipes of cars in the carpark with crackers, when asked what they are doing they replied .. just seeing if we can blow the ends off. Went to get food some fools chucking em out the window of their car, all in the space of about five minutes, so yeh as usual its the minority ruining it for everyone, not such a minority anymore i reckon, too many idiots out there either doing it or letting 8 year old kids have the 100$ bag of crackers and leaving them to do as they please.
Pity though i do like teh prettys :)

I too like teh prettys and the display and mindle was great ( and my 4 month old daugher looooooved them) but for the first time in my almost 31 yrs think they should ban public sale of either all of them or any of the larger ones. Too many ass-hats around - and in my opinion for a chanbge im assuming its a minority fcuking it for the majority. My wife reckons they should only sell them on the day.

- some dickhead has just let one of now!!!

My sister-n-law works for the donut eaters and they had 800 complaint phone calls about fire crackers before midnight on saturday.

I had one of those multi shot thingymagigs end up firing out the side of the packet after the rest went straing up, shoot between my legs from bout 30metres away while i was feeding my daughter and ended up exploding bout 3metres behind me beside insids daughters pram - cheap and nasty shit.

I will say my daughter took this in her stride and kept consuming dinner without missing a beat :D but elana wasnt soo amused......

there ought to be a law against folk letting off rocks outside of the prescribed times.

Quote from JugV2;312996:
there ought to be a law against folk letting off rocks outside of the prescribed times.

there is unfortunely its to hard to enforce.

Quote from neoblazer;312968:
How about you tell that to my friend who had to pay for the repair to her car window.

Memp the police already do random patrols.

Absolutely, let's ban fireworks because a select few got hurt, dogs scared and some property damaged. Yet thousands, upon thousands had a fantastic law abiding time?

But like everything that is great about the Territory, it'll soon be gone. Bring on the cotton wool!

Quote from lrinaldi;313008:
Absolutely, let's ban fireworks because a select few got hurt, dogs scared and some property damaged. Yet thousands, upon thousands had a fantastic law abiding time?

But like everything that is great about the Territory, it'll soon be gone. Bring on the cotton wool!

Some property got damaged it happens without fail every year, I would love to see fireworks stay but its no longer just the minority causing trouble now.I love to set off fireworks with my family and SO but its gotten out of hand and is getting worse every year.

they only sell them the day before and on the day and yet people still act stupid with them.

I remember when you used to be able to get fireworks you could hear clear as day from the next suburb but because people abused a privilage they banned all the good ones over the years. thats exalty what fireworks are a privilage not a right and sorry to say but most don't deserve the privilage, its a shame because people who do the right thing always pay the price.

Territorians complain about the dickheads from 'down south'.
Unfortunately, that argument ceases to be valid come cracker night, because 3/4 of Darwins population take an evolutionary step backwards.

A large percentage of darwins population are dickheads from downsouth. Even our polys.

I'm for a ban or increased restriction
Maybe a permit system.

yea I was thinkin that morge a permit system might be good. That way if people get fined for being idiots they could lose out on being able to buy them next year.

Isn't it 18+ purchase anyway? They need to make it like car insurance 25+ 25 year olds are less likely to be so irresponsible to buy fireworks for the younger more idiotic generations.

if it is 18+ they are breaking the law .. I know of 16yr olds buying fireworks without question .. Ive never heard of it being 18+ though.

i had some moron light up a dead monitor, and that ****ed me up for a whole day. i missed out on Work which sux

Quote from lrinaldi;313008:
Absolutely, let's ban fireworks because a select few got hurt, dogs scared and some property damaged. Yet thousands, upon thousands had a fantastic law abiding time?

But like everything that is great about the Territory, it'll soon be gone. Bring on the cotton wool!

Looks like that guy who got one in the eye is gonna die.

I've just spent 30 mins with my wife who is upset because she feels responsible because she is in charge of worksafe fireworks this year.

Would this be enough for you to change your mind Irinaldi? That guy dying?

Apparently it entered his eye but exploded in his brain.

if he dies .. fireworks will be no more. ....

Quote from CoCoBuckeTs;313042:
Looks like that guy who got one in the eye is gonna die.

I've just spent 30 mins with my wife who is upset because she feels responsible because she is in charge of worksafe fireworks this year.

Would this be enough for you to change your mind Irinaldi? That guy dying?

Apparently it entered his eye but exploded in his brain.

Wouldn't be enough for me to want a ban on fireworks. One death in how many years???? Honestly the guy is going to die that sucks buts thats about the most sympathy I am willing to give.

I mean people die every day on the roads and yet I don't see cars being banned.

I'm getting sick of all the cotton wool because there are so many idiots out there ruining it for the sensible people.

^^ QFT.

Life is fragile. People die every day from a myriad of freak accidents. Sticking your head over a firework and having it shoot in your face isn't anything other than stupid, it's not far removed from playing chicken with a train. Ban trains?

It's just not worth it Pala and Spero.

One night of bright lights and bangs is not worth the hassle it causes.
Thats just the truth of it, the police are sick of it, the govt is sick of it and most of the 'sensible' people are just sick of it.

I hope the guy doesnt die, but the car argument and the rock argument above are just fking ridiculous. Arguing for the sake of being argumentative.
**** man we could BAN everything dangerous but that is a complete different argument from this one.

10-15 people discussing it in the thread, only 3-4 are in favour and one doesnt even live in Darwin. Seems like things have to change for fireworks.

Be interesting if they come under even tighter scrutiny next year or cancelled all together.

Yeah, I quite like fireworks night, its alot of fun and it looks purdy.
It doesn't out-weigh driving down a road and having 'Shot's fired onto the paintwork of my car, having dickheads throwing them at people in nightclubs or into moving vehicles etc, though.

It's one 'reform' that I'd actually support.

Quote from CoCoBuckeTs;313059:

I hope the guy doesnt die, but the car argument and the rock argument above are just fking ridiculous. Arguing for the sake of being argumentative.

no it isn't. it's arguing for the sake of playing devils advocate to this reactionary crap. onoes, X used Y to do Z, quick, ban Y! see what I did there? they're variables. the Y in this case is fireworks. take fireworks out, Y becomes something else.

Quote from CoCoBuckeTs:

**** man we could BAN everything dangerous but that is a complete different argument from this one.

it most certainly is /not/ a completely different argument, in fact. it's exactly the same argument. (well, possibly a superset of this argument, but semantics, semantics)

Quote from CoCoBuckeTs:

10-15 people discussing it in the thread, only 3-4 are in favour and one doesnt even live in Darwin.

What does place of residence have to do with it? Doesn't stop anyone here from opening their yap when it comes to American politics. also, i count at least 7 people in support. closer to half the posters in the thread certainly. the numbers aren't quite so sensational when they're actually accurate tho, are they?

Quote from CoCoBuckeTs:
Seems like things have to change for fireworks.

perhaps. but banning them isn't the answer.

Quote from CoCoBuckeTs:
Be interesting if they come under even tighter scrutiny next year or cancelled all together.

Let you in on an interesting tidbit, when i was still in Darwin I hadn't had anything to do with fireworks night for probably the last 3 years, they were just too poor and inconsistent to waste money on. tighter scrutiny wont hurt - see someone being a nuisance/menace with them - throw the book at them. assault with a deadly weapon. no problems there. but the firework? please the vast, vast majority of participants are responsible. those who aren't will just find another way to be tards if you take away the fireworks.

Ahhh, Firecracker night, its like forcing natural selection and giving Emo's razorblades.

Quote from paladin;313067:
... please the vast, vast majority of participants are responsible. those who aren't will just find another way to be tards if you take away the fireworks.
Actually thats the whole point the vast majority of people are no longer responsible. The vast majority don't respect their little bombs. A minority of people do use fireworks properly and about an equal amount are complete ****wits. The majority just use them in a stupid, inconsiderate but usually mostly safe kinda way.
The car argument is flawed a car is something we have to have, a necessity. So to with trains. If they kill ppl to fkn bad we need them. If fireworks kill ppl fk them we don't need them. Should I allow my life to be endangered so someone can have pretties? If X used Y to do Z and Y is a bomb then yeah mayhaps we should stop selling bombs to anyone once a year no ID/permit required. So we can stop Y and yes it will probably become something else but at least we will have less bombs in the hands of children.

Place of residence has everything to do with it, if you weren't here then your opinion on this issue is worthless. Did you experience the crap that was explosive device night? Get bombs detonated on/in your car/lap? Thrown over your fence at your pets? Have explosive missiles shot at you? Face the threat of your house/garden burning down. Still awake at 1am cause you cant get any sleep due to the constant explosions? Shouldn't we be concerned about the politics of America? It does have a huge effect globally after all. Does fireworks being banned or not in Darwin affect Perth?

Things have to change for fireworks no maybes and banning them is AN answer.

well why not make the territory a state already and get rid of all thats left of what makes this the northern territory? seriously allot of small things that have made the difference to the rest of AUS is just beaning chipped away little by little.... regardless if they were dangerous or just outright stupid they were and still should be apart of the territory?

just my opinion...

Quote from HeReTiC;313081:
Ahhh, Firecracker night, its like forcing natural selection and giving Emo's razorblades.

*****ng GOLD!!!

Quote from Evil @ngel;313088:
Actually thats the whole point the vast majority of people are no longer responsible. The vast majority don't respect their little bombs. A minority of people do use fireworks properly and about an equal amount are complete ****wits.

exaggeration doesn't help your cause.

Quote from Evil @ngel:

a car is something we have to have, a necessity.

no it isn't.

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So to with trains. If they kill ppl to fkn bad we need them.

really? i guess that explains why darwin has so many commuter trains.

Quote from Evil @ngel:
If fireworks kill ppl fk them we don't need them. Should I allow my life to be endangered so someone can have pretties? If X used Y to do Z and Y is a bomb then yeah mayhaps we should stop selling bombs to anyone once a year no ID/permit required.

there you go, there's your first answer there - require an id. congratulations on coming up with a non knee-jerk response.

Quote from Evil @ngel:
So we can stop Y and yes it will probably become something else but at least we will have less bombs in the hands of children.

keep referring to them as bombs, go on. it makes your argument so much more compelling. fireworks with that much explosive power are probably already illegally procured anyway.

Quote from Evil @ngel:
Place of residence has everything to do with it, if you weren't here then your opinion on this issue is worthless.

no it isn't. i have family there. should i not take an interest and care about the environment my family lives in?

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Did you experience the crap that was explosive device night?

If by that you mean was I ever there for fireworks night, then yes, about 15 of them, give or take a couple.

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Get bombs detonated on/in your car/lap?

no, guess i must be the only one tho.

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Thrown over your fence at your pets?

don't have pets.

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Have explosive missiles shot at you?

no. have been hit by a car tho, dont see my crying about that.

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Face the threat of your house/garden burning down.

every wet season when there's lightning around. every time i left the house with a light on. every time i left the house with the washing machine running. every time i left the house with the oven cooking something. every time i left the house with the pc on. every time i left the house with the tv on. every time i left the house with my mobile phone charging.

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Still awake at 1am cause you cant get any sleep due to the constant explosions?

no more than i've been kept awake because the power went out and the ceiling fan stopped. no more than i've been kept awake by a raucous party the neighbours are having. no more than i've been kept awake by people hooning up and down the street. no more than i've been kept awake by people screaming 'happy new year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' over and over. no more than i've been kept awake by itinerants in the park next door squabbling over a cask of wine.

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Does fireworks being banned or not in Darwin affect Perth?

When I have family in Darwin, yes it effects me.

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Things have to change for fireworks no maybes and banning them is AN answer.

Of course it's an answer. So is 42. Doesn't make it THE answer.

the weather is actually nice today .. should be fishing .. clear skys. its awsome.

careful. your boat engine might catch fire and burn your boat to ashes while you're in it. and the sun! omg you might get a melanoma and DIE! wont someone PLEASE think of the melanomas?

There's a difference between every-day events and a specific night of the year, where explosive devices are sold willynilly.

again with the explosive devices. it really helps to be able to label fireworks with a more sinister name doesn't it? dont like something? quick. give it a bad name so i can feel better about trying to get rid of it!

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There's a difference between every-day events and a specific night of the year

actually. that could be another answer. make them freely available all year so the tards can just get over it.

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again with the explosive devices. it really helps to be able to label fireworks with a more sinister name doesn't it? dont like something? quick. give it a bad name so i can feel better about trying to get rid of it!

Not really. Fireworks are literally explosives.
If the only available firework was a Sparkler, then I could see your point.
But the fact is, a high volume of them are pretty darn powerful.

The point stands though.
I just dont understand how you can validate freely selling Firecrackers to idiots, by saying there are rocks on the ground, or cars on the road.

Keep in mind, I like the option of being able to use crackers.
I don't like the way cracker nights have been turning over the last few years though, with apparently more and more people using them like idiots, endangering others.

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I just dont understand how you can validate Firecrackers by saying there are rocks on the ground, or cars on the road.

heh, you changed validify to validate just seconds before i had it quoted. damn.

i don't see how you can validate banning something because of a few tards. shit, i'm all for rounding up the tards and executing them, they're the ones at fault. not the fireworks. basically, there's no point banning a symptom without tackling the root cause. now don't give me some BS about 'treating the symptom while looking for a cure' because we know politicians will NEVER look for the cure when they can keep going for the quick bandaid solution.

banning something because an idiot uses it in a malicious manner is a horrible slippery slope. where does it stop? can you answer that? before or after people lose all ability to think for themselves, and leave every decision in the hands of others?

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again with the explosive devices. it really helps to be able to label fireworks with a more sinister name doesn't it? dont like something? quick. give it a bad name so i can feel better about trying to get rid of it!

Thats exalty what it is paladin are you a ****ing moron, they use gun powder which IS a form of explosive so yes there a explosive device.

Lets try something apart from rocks and cars.
Guns are perfectly safe unless you act like a idiot.
They are not sold willy nilly to any idiot.
I have the option to use a gun but can only use one in a controlled enviorment under proper supervision and instruction. Even if I got a gun(firearm)licence I am still restricted in where and when I can use the gun. If I prove unsuitable to use a gun well I'm not going to be able to get a gun liscence am I.

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Thats exalty what it is paladin are you are ****ing moron, they use gun powder which IS a form of explosive so yes there a explosive device.

wow, you really think i dont know how fireworks... work? do you often refer to your car engine as an explosive device? how about your lawnmower? you know, all those things that combust some form of fuel to drive an engine? you know that for all intents and purposes, an engine works because of rapid fire explosions, right?

i didnt say they weren't explosive devices, if you'll read a bit more carefully. i said it really helps to refer to them by it, instead of by the term 'firework', which is what they're commonly referred to. why would you use an uncommon term for them if not to fearmonger?

and please, 'moron'? come up with something a little more creative and/or compelling if you're going to get personal about it.

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Lets try something apart from rocks and cars.
Guns are perfectly safe unless you act like a idiot.
They are not sold willy nilly to any idiot.
I have the option to use a gun but can only use one in a controlled enviorment under proper supervision and instruction. Even if I got a gun(firearm)licence I am still restricted in where and when I can use the gun. If I prove unsuitable to use a gun well I'm not going to be able to get a gun liscence am I.

yep. gun control has done wonders to stop the criminal element from having guns.

gun control sure as hell stopped someone getting shot to death in the middle of the melbourne CBD the other week.

that said, i don't particularly disagree with the restrictions on firearm ownership. nor do i disagree with restrictions being enforced on the sale of fireworks. i disagree with the knee jerk emotional response of outright banning them.

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wow, you really think i dont know how fireworks... work? do you often refer to your car engine as an explosive device? how about your lawnmower? you know, all those things that combust some form of fuel to drive an engine? you know that for all intents and purposes, an engine works because of rapid fire explosions, right?

i didnt say they weren't explosive devices, if you'll read a bit more carefully. i said it really helps to refer to them by it, instead of by the term 'firework', which is what they're commonly referred to. why would you use an uncommon term for them if not to fearmonger?

and please, 'moron'? come up with something a little more creative and/or compelling if you're going to get personal about it.

Yes im aware how an engine works, just because someone calls it by there clasification doesn't make it fearmongering, Yes I agree that they aren't commanly refered to us explosive devices but that been said its what they are and they do actaully say danger explosive device on the indivual fireworks.

as for getting personal you don't warrent anything more intellegent if you take socialities opinions as your own.

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as for getting personal you don't warrent anything more intellegent if you take socialities opinions as your own.

i didnt say don't get personal, i said if you must. get more creative. also i suggest you replace the bolded word in your quote with an actual word and not some random collection of keystrokes cunningly designed to make it look like you have a point.

if i'm to assume you meant 'societies', and that i'm taking societies opinion as my own, which really doesnt make any sense - then frankly i don't know what the hell you're talking about, since i most definitely form my own opinions and don't let others tell me what they should be.

also please note the underlined word, for it is so full of irony goodness it tastes like a mouthful of blood.

yes I know im not the best at english, so if thats the best you can insult me with keep trying

paladin isnt trying to insult you mate.

he is putting across his point of view like the rest of you .. Just some cant seem to get past that its not a personal direct attack.

you didn't explain the comment. how is the ... discussion supposed to continue without you rewording what you said to make sense?

also to suggest that i'm actively trying to insult you is to imply that i give a crap about you - i don't. i'm merely trying to disassemble your argument to keep the discussion going. alas you turned it into something personal by resorting to name calling, but i guess that's all you can do when your entire argument is based on emotion.

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paladin isnt trying to insult you mate.

he is putting across his point of view like the rest of you .. Just some cant seem to get past that its not a personal direct attack.

qft. it's only personal with overg :)

My arguement is simple yes they are refered to as explosive devices by some and no they aren't commanly refered to as an explosive device doesn't mean someone is fearmongering if they do as you suggested paladin. I agree that people will always find something to be idiots with but why supply them access to something like fire works.

In theory a permit system would work but how does that stop people giving there friends or younger siblings them after purchasing them, it won't there not ment for people under 18 without supervision of a consenting guardian or parent.

they have beening trying since I was knee high to a grasshopper to miniumize the amount of injuries and damage down each year by getting rid of the decent ones soon there won't be anything but fountains and sparklers due to morons or people that think they are harmless.

Yes I get pissed off when someone trys to play down the sitution inorder to make it seem like less of a problem. Unseen yes I can understand that he isn't directly attacking me but I find it hard to believe that he can not see the damage and the fact of how futile it is to try police firecrackers they have been trying to for in excess of 11 years still hasn't worked.

Well.. I agree with Paladin. and that doesn't happen a lot

The papers/news said 15 people were treated at hospital burns. Several of these sparklers.

Seriously are we going to ban sparklers to?????? That's 15 people out of thousands and only one critically serious injury

You can make explosive devices using fertilizer and whatever if you really wanted to. Sedaline bombs ( have nfi how its spelt) kids are setting those off all throughout the year.

I have no doubts fireworks night is going down the drain and will be banned soon I'm just so mad for the reasons why. And the idiots who sent it that way.

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I find it hard to believe that he can not see the damage and the fact of how futile it is to try police firecrackers they have been trying to for in excess of 11 years still hasn't worked.

who says i can't see the damage? you're presenting a false dichotomy; it IS possible to be aware of the potential for injury, and simultaneously against the banning.

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Well.. I agree with Paladin. and that doesn't happen a lot

The papers/news said 15 people were treated at hospital burns. Several of these sparklers.

Seriously are we going to ban sparklers to?????? That's 15 people out of thousands and only one critically serious injury

You can make explosive devices using fertilizer and whatever if you really wanted to. Sedaline bombs ( have nfi how its spelt) kids are setting those off all throughout the year.

I have no doubts fireworks night is going down the drain and will be banned soon I'm just so mad for the reasons why. And the idiots who sent it that way.

Yes you can make bombs from house hold items just because you can doesn't mean 99% of people will, not to mention that it is HIGHLY illegal to produce any of those items and if you are caught you can be jailed/ and or heavy fined.

I will be pissed off if crackers get banned because people act stupidly with them but there running out of ways to prevent it short of banning it

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who says i can't see the damage? you're presenting a false dichotomy; it IS possible to be aware of the potential for injury, and simultaneously against the banning.

so all those people that get hurt because of idiots should just pretend like its not a problem because in affect your asking them to sacrifice thier safety for a night just because it only a minor percentage getting hurt or having to pay for the damages. To be able to see the fact and understand them and not do something about it means you ether are beating around the bush or just plain seflish.

then theres the enviromental side of it (not that i overly care about the enviroment) have you walked around darwin in the pass two day there is firecrackers everywhere because people are to lazy to pick them up when there done for the night.

but thats just op

:0 so much anger in this thread. I watched the mindil ones which were great i also enjoyed watching peopple set them off before the main thing started. I was also in Canberra when they had their firecracker week is it?

While I somewhat agree with what pala is saying, I also support guns being banned. If something makes it easier for stupid people to cause harm to others (and i guess themselves) then the something should be looked into. You could probably up the safety of each firework raising the price and probably reduce the amount of stupid people that can access them, raising the price will also mean the good people that don't earn so much might not have access to them though.

Things simply shouldn't always be banned without trying other options.

Edit some more options, As fireworks aren't private (they are visable and you can typically hear them some distance away from where they are let off) They shouldn't be available for private sale. People that want to buy them could put their money towards various controlled events seperated by region whether it being by Suburbs or cities or whatnot. The council then purcahses the fireworks with the money and the people are allowed to let off the amount they paid for there and then and not take them from the event. This lets people blow shit up while putting more of a stop to stupid people throwing them at cars.

Though i still think cops should be allowed to beat the shit out of stupid people that break the law. Imaging walking along and have someone throw a firecracker at ya then some cop comming out of no where beating the shit out of them and walking away :)

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so all those people that get hurt because of idiots should just pretend like its not a problem because in affect your asking them to sacrifice thier safety for a night just because it only a minor percentage getting hurt or having to pay for the damages. To be able to see the fact and understand them and not do something about it means you ether are beating around the bush or just plain seflish.

that argument holds no water until you argue it on behalf of every single thing that could possibly cause harm to others. once you start banning things that 'can potentially cause harm to others when incorrectly used', you'll never stop.

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that argument holds no water until you argue it on behalf of every single thing that could possibly cause harm to others. once you start banning things that 'can potentially cause harm to others when incorrectly used', you'll never stop.

not necessirly (can't spell it) normally I would agree with that but not when talking about a spersific (yes one of those words I can't spell) topic of this nature

This was alway going to be the Last or 2nd last one any way
it is going to happen so there is no use compaling about it

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This was alway going to be the Last or 2nd last one any way
it is going to happen so there is no use compaling about it

Its called a heated arguement not complaining, and if you don't wanna read it don't click on the thread.