No Left 4 Dead 2 for Oz

55 public posts in this discussion.

Post 1

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Those of you who planned to boycott Left 4 Dead 2 won't have to. The Australian government's Classification Board have announced that they don't like the game, and have decided that the Australian public shouldn't be the victim of Valve's plans to exploit their customers for what is clearly a sequel that is planned all too soon.

The Classification Board has refused to classify Left 4 Dead 2, but the details regarding the reasoning behind the decision not to classify the game have not yet been revealed.

taken from news post on Games.on.net

was looking forward to this release, as the current release is played frequently as a way to finish of the day, dealing with real zombies at my workplace... ;)

OH WELL! *sigh*

Post 2

spastic ****ing board.

Post 3

no, spastic ****ing laws. r18+ category = this gets classified. another reason to write to the south australian attorney general and whinge at him.

Post 4

no, spastic ****ing board. they could've just put an MA on it but nooooooo, got to do things by the book. wankers. :P

Post 5

Does this mean we can't get it via Steam either?

Post 6

Quote from Milenko;370699:
Does this mean we can't get it via Steam either?

Yeah I've got the same question that needs answering. So pissed about this. More so the fact that we're not given a choice as adults. So dumb.

Post 7

I can go watch Bruno waving a penis in circles at the cinemas while a mother of two sits with her two 12-14 year old children in front of me. But I can't get a little blood and gore in game form.

Post 8

Buy Left 4 Dead 2 (DVD-ROM) (PC CD-ROM) - Play-Asia.com

Post 9

but steam will deny it wont it? when it detects you're in australia

Post 10

Quote from ResLo;370703:
Buy Left 4 Dead 2 (DVD-ROM) (PC CD-ROM) - Play-Asia.com

but who will host the servers?

Post 11

You don't need to buy the game to run a server, and I don't think it's illegal for you to host a server to play a game of any rating.

Post 12

Server wise I don't think there is an issue - it's freely distributed in server form and not playable without a client.

It's the client that you'll need to get - Just VPN yourself to the UK/US or something, make the purchase and rock and roll.

Might be worth looking at a L4D2 GU server if that's the case - corner the market ;)

Post 13

Left 4 Dead 2 refused classification in Australia | News | News.com.au

Post 14

Absolutely ridiculous.

Admittedly, never played L4D, but was looking forward to trying out this one.

Post 15

Get the DVD posted if you want to buy it. If your a Node or Adam (there could be others) customer you wont be able to dl it quota free as normal even if you use a VPN to purchase it from the UK or US servers as it wont be hosted locally.

Post 16

OMG IM SO ADDICTED TO L4D 1 :@

this pisses me right off!!

AUS NEEDS 18+ RATING!

Post 17

I also dont understand why L4D1 passed and not L4D2?
Content wise; they're almost identicle.

Post 18

I suspect the melee weapons, the whole street violence fad going on right now.

Post 19

ohwell i guess purchasing it from US or Asia will be the only thing we can do :(

EB games US will post to AUS

Post 20

So you're saying you can VPN and buy it, but you're still stuck with playing on mate's servers (GU for eg.) right? Because there will be no Australian servers?

...and everything else would be ping from hell.

Post 21

Pretty much

Post 22

all this game refusal does is promote piracy. retards

Post 23

Quote from mepm;370746:
all this game refusal does is promote piracy. retards

Yep :)

and they keep saying movie and game piracy is ruining the industry yadda yadda yadda

if they made it only $7 to see a movie i would go more often!!!

"6 to see a movie on most days, plus drink and popcorn "0

$26 to see a movie!!! i could buy movies at that price and keep them in my collection

Not to mention $99 for a new game!!!

$50 for a new release i would buy a game a week.

Post 24

They don't care - it's all politics.. scoring point with the religious right wing "family first" types...

If it was purely economic it wouldn't happen in the first place...

Post 25

I pre ordered my copy from EB US online

$84 AUD

not gonna bother taking the chance with the whole pc release being watered down, I'll buy direct from US thanks :)

Post 26

Just be careful it doesnt get siezed by customs on its way in :P

Post 27

Contact us

Complaints best made by phone call. Keep it civil though.

Post 28

Milenko they didnt seize my copy of GTA

Post 29

ive skipped through a few posts but has anyone played prototype..... in this game i can rip a person in half with bare hands and impale a bloke on a spike..... its one of the most violent games ive ever played (that and serious sam) and i can still play this in australia... surely l4d cant be as bad!

Post 30

I suspect it might have to do with the melee weapons in the game.

Post 31

In Xmen Origins: Wolverine you can do all that including there's times when the camera will slow right down and you an see Wolverine cutting enemies up (decapitation, severing limbs etc) and it still made it in...

Post 32

read the article - they talk about 'realistic violence' you aren't Alex Mercer or Wolverine in L4D, you're Joe Average tearing 'living' things apart with household goods.

still bullshit though.

Post 33

But I can play the Allied Commander of WW2 and blow countless thousands of Germans up :p

Post 34

Gory zombie game toned down

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The makers of Left 4 Dead 2 have changed the highly-anticipated zombie video game so it can go on sale in Australia.

The sequel to the popular zombie killing experience Left 4 Dead is set for worldwide release in November.

But Australia's censorship board last month refused to give it the virtual zombie hunt classification at all, saying its high impact violence made it unsuitable for people under 18.

But the board has given the OK to a toned-down version of the game because it meets Australia's MA15+ requirements.

The board's report said melee weapons such as "axes, crowbars and chainsaws" were still in the game, but other features had been edited out.

"The board notes that the game no longer contains depictions of decapitation, dismemberment, wound detail or piles of dead bodies lying about the environment," it said.

The changes have left some gamers and online right groups up in arms.

Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) board member Geordie Guy says the Left 4 Dead 2 case shows how far Australia is behind.

He says Australia needs an R rating for video games, like films have.

"We're a little bit of a laughing stock in the global gaming community," he told ABC News Online.

"Other countries in the world do have adult ratings for computers because they recognise adults play computer games and enjoy different sorts of computer games than those for children.

"It's sad that we don't get the full experience of the game but still have to pay the full price and it's sad that developers have to jump through hoops in Australia that they don't have to jump through elsewhere in the world."

Jeremy Ray, a reviewer from ABC TV's Good Game, has played the sequel in the US and does not think it is too different from the first.

"It's on the same engine as the last game; it's got a few extra weapons," he told ABC News Online.

"The main fuss was about the melee weapons, which you can use to take the limbs off some of the zombies.

"But the additions are actually pretty small - instead of bullets in some guns, you'll have flaming bullets and stuff like that.

"It's pretty frantic zombie killing."

Ray, also known as the Junglist, says there are worse games already on the market.

He believes the classification issues are leading to bigger problems in Australia.

"In a way it's sort of encouraging Australian adults to buy from overseas, or even worse, pirate games," he said.

"As adults gamers are going to get the content that they want - we're a very internet-savvy generation."

Post 35

does this mean only the aussie version is watered down ?

good thing i got my US copy coming

Post 36

I got my L4D2 lastnight At NOS $44.99

Post 37

Left 4 Dead 2 Banned In Australia - Page 17 - Steam Users' Forums

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Originally Posted by matt02 View Post
Im sure if you routed ur IP threw an american proxy it would work, because the proxy won't send out the Australian IP but the American IP instead...

You would also have to change regional settings...

correct me if im wrong.
If you connect trough a proxy you are breaking Steam rules and risk a bann. Not to mention that it won't change anything, you also need an US adress and CC. They check more than just the IP after all they are not stupid.

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Originally Posted by Lewk View Post
Unfortunately no, there's 2 points here;

a) Valve games wether bought from steam or retail require steam to play.

b) Valve games are region coded. Meaning if I bought outside of Australia, steam wouldn't allow me to install the game.

The only way would be to illegally down load it, and when you do that you can only play single player. Multiplayer requires steam.

It's a Lose-Lose situation.
a) true

b) not true at all
Valve games are not region coded, but valve games have different \"cartID's\" for cut/uncut version. Depending on where you live you can only BUY certain cartID's.

For example: I'm from germany, my billing adress is german, my IP is german. I log into steam store and want to buy L4D1.

Steam detects my IP and sends me to the L4D1 version with the cartID \"L4D1CCFFF32CUT\" (example cartID). This one is the german cut version of L4D which has the notice \"low violence version\". This is the only version i could buy trough steam.

Now if somebody from the US (US IP, billing adress, CC) does the same, steam store leads him to L4D1 too. But instead of the L4D1 with the cartID \"L4D1CCFFF32CUT\" his steam shows him the L4D1 version \"L4D1CCFFF32UNCUT\" which is the original L4D1 version without cuts.

Basicly steam handles the cut and uncut version like 2 different games. Depending on where you live you can only buy one of these versions trough steam.

But that doesn't stop you from getting the uncut version, after all the uncut version is it's very own game. If you buy a retail game of the uncut version you get a CD key. That CD key will be for cartID \"L4D1CCFFF32UNCUT\" and so you will get uncut version once you enter that key into steam.

Same applies when somebody from outside of germany buys the game trough steam and sent it to somebody as a gift. If he buys the game as a gift he buys the version with the cart ID \"L4D1CCFFF32UNCUT\" and that's the same thing he sents as a gift.

Long version short:

Buy a uncut retail version and you will get an uncut game.

Let somebody from outside your country buy a uncut version trough steam and when he gifts it to you it will stay uncut.

It's been working like that since HL2, so there is no reason to talk about a \"Lose-Lose situation\" because that's just not true.

If somebody else decides to post just again \"AMAGAWD WE NEED A PETITION BECAUSE WE CAN'T PLAY L4D2!!11\" i'm forced to open a new thread explaining all this once again.

Post 38

I didn't even read that whole quoted area, because I got the jist of what it was about, and thought I'd share my first hand experience regarding this:

I bought EU versions of games with my [Australian registered] Steam account while living in London. I bought them with my Australian credit card. Steam's cart system did say my post code was invalid for the UK, so I put in a UK post code, and the transaction went through just fine (poor CC check/validation?). I still have access to those EU versions and can still play them, even though I'm back in AU etc.

So, I'm positive that using a VPN and buying them via a UK or USA IP will work.

Which is what I'll be doing for L4D2. :)

Post 39

Loaded up steam this morning... to find that my boss had gifted me a copy of l4d2 (the aussie version). what a guy! (but he wants me to pay him for it!!)

personally don't really mind if there is reduced gore... just want more zombie carnage!

Post 40

They have dismemberment in TF2... and there is some of it in L4D anyhow... so why restrict l4d2..... theres a rumour that the classification board is having another meeting on this at the end of October to decide on its fate... and valve is supposedly sending some people over to contest it.

Post 41

just realised in teh settings we have download region - does anyone know if this can be changed to U.S for purchasing and downloading ( no i havent googled, am not about to do it either and will worry about it when and if i buy lfd2) and could that bypass the region coding bs

Post 42

pretty sure download region is for selecting download servers to take advantage of quota free downloads.

Post 43

Well I just bought l4d2 on steam :) can't wait for this one. Also bought Windows 7 64bit aswell

tn1.legit

Post 44

First time for everything... or .... sign of impending apocalypse

Post 45

Personally, I think the incindiary rounds are enough to stop me buying the game.
It looks silly :/

Post 46

you look silly, but that didn't stop you did it? huh? huh?

Post 47

yeh the game has taken a crazy turn... but its a crazy game anyhow. Its one of the better bridging games between my skill level for shooters and my brothers skill level, so we can both share beers and have fun with zombies.

Post 48

Steam = uncut version?

Post 49

i got my US copy coming and my Legit copy of windows 7 64bit :)

WOO LETS GO

Post 50

Quote from Jay;372223:
Steam = uncut version?

That's my theory too.

Post 51

Quote from LuzTeTT;372391:
That's my theory too.

then why would they have got it rated by oflc

Post 52

Quote from Bad Crispy;372399:
then why would they have got it rated by oflc

Because they're going to have it in retail stores too, so they must have it rated before it can go on sale.

Post 53

According to this the game is still banned:

iTWire - Left 4 Dead 2 still banned after board review

Post 54

Wowsers play an old game with new media

Post 55

Almost finished decrypting.