Centrelink

Going through my email as i do weekly, and then i realize an email sent by Centrelink from the first of this month, Titled "Centrelink Appointment Reminder", when i check, i realized i had missed an appointment on November the third, the point is, this is the first appointment i have missed, and i was only given 2 days warning of the appointment, no letter or anything came before this "Reminder"

The question is, will this have severe effects on my payments?

If you can give them a valid reason why you couldnt attend and that you did not have the correct information *(ie postal address) then should not matter.

If it is like the 4th time you have missed an apointment without reason then maybe.

Well, if you have an online services account which you do. They dont send paper mail anymore, its all pdf downloads in your account. The only paper mail that gets sent is to your nominated proxy or (someone who can act on your behalf).

Well its quite severe imo. They can cut your payments if you miss an appointment. Usually its very easy to fix and just call them up to re-organise a time.

You can say you were out bush, fishing and had no access to your email as your excuse.

Or just say you didn't check it for 2 days. 2 days notice is ridiculous.

Or just tell them you're black. Then you don't have to do shit.

Whoa. Dude.

Actually. That reminds me of a joke.

...

It was coming to the end of the day and sitting in his smallish and almost deserted local pub in the outback was an old Aboriginal dude. He was having a few beers, as usual, when a short well dressed and obviously gay man from Sydney walked in and sat beside him.

After three or four beers, the gay man leaned over towards the Aboriginal dude and whispered, "Do you want a blow job?"

The black fella leaped up with fire in his eyes knocked the gay man off his stool and smacked the living shit out him.

He then dragged him out of the bar and left him all bruised and battered in the car park and returned to his seat at the bar to finish his drink. Not entirely amazed at what had just happened the barman quickly brought over another beer to the black fella and said, "I've never seen you react as badly as that before".

"What did he say to you?"

"I don't know," he replied. "Something about a job."

Well, according to online services my next pay has been reduced to 30%, and yeah, im with online services but i didnt even get an email before the reminder, just the reminder.

just leave it be man, it'll be fine!

my work for us tax payers is done :D

That's pretty shabby. You should take your business elsewhere!

Quote from nroug7;403328:
my next pay

Just a gentle reminder, that'd be my pay. It's your benefit.

Quote from jabsy;403335:
Just a gentle reminder, that'd be my pay. It's your benefit.

haha, second.

Part of me just wants to say: GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB GET A JOB!

But then I realise that I have no idea about this person or their circumstances, and that they may be on a disability benefit or something or other and not just a slacker.

Also for reference, if you are in the job market, take something, ANYTHING. When I'm hiring I'm much more inclined to hire someone who was stacking shelves or collecting trolleys than someone with gaps in their employment history.

Yeah, i plan to get a job soon, but alas, first, i must thank you all (who are of working class) for paying for my education :D oh, and getting me skyrim :D

I'm glad my tax dollars are paying for your computer games.

Quote from grandinferno;403371:
I'm glad my tax dollars are paying for your computer games.

Now that's just mean, i rarely use the money for a video game :( and we cant all live under the best of circumstances.

I am sure GI that your tax money is paying for a lot worse than a simple computer game.

Just imagine how many troops have killed under an Australian force.

Just giving you shit nroug7.

Though I would say give nroug7 a break. I'm proud that our country provides the assistance to people to improve their situation. I never received centerlink because I always considered that working was a faster return of investment than sitting around and being limited by centerlink.

Where our money is spent.

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Note: That's thousands of Millions of dollars. ie. Billions.

Quote from Jay;403377:
Where our money is spent.

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Note: That's thousands of Millions of dollars. ie. Billions.

note that there's a lot of people who actually abuse Centrelink's services. I think that people shouldn't be judged by the service they use, but by how they use the service. in any case, after i get a few certificates from TAFE (School was never really my thing, even though i have a high IQ i have a short attention span and a poor memory :( and horrible writing, but i can't blame others for my problems) im going to be looking for a job.

If you are doing full-time study I don't have a problem with it.

As long as its not an arts degree over 6 years.

Quote from chad;403384:
As long as its not an arts degree over 6 years.

Well thankfully your opinion counts for fuck all.

Wow, you guys were quick to jump to the racism/prejudiced remarks in this thread. Even if some of it was in jest :/ Like unscarred said, not everyone receiving Centrelink payments is a bludging bum and/or Aboriginal.

Edit: I'm interested in the source of that pie chart...

Stereotypes are not racism or prejudice, they only imply racism/prejudice.

here's A source for that image, not necessarily, THE source.

Weekend Musing: The People’s Budget - macrobusiness.com.au | macrobusiness.com.au

Ignore that

Original Source

2011–12 Commonwealth Budget - Overview

Spending
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Taxes
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This one is even worse, implication is that Income tax, i.e the tax we all have to pay, barely covers welfare and social security.

Irritating, because I hate people, they deserve to suffer.

Quote from Minorci;403387:
Well thankfully your opinion counts for fuck all.

Minorci must of done a arts degree.

Quote from chad;403395:
Minorci must of done a arts degree.

Fail.

Quote from Harbinger;403394:
Irritating, because I hate people, they deserve to suffer.Yet if you developed some kind of disability or suddenly lost your job, for example, you'd be one of those 'people'. We (being the employed and not receiving any Centrelink benefits) are not as far off from 'them' as most people think we are.

Quote from Brookie23;403397:
Yet if you developed some kind of disability or suddenly lost your job, for example, you'd be one of those 'people'. We (being the employed and not receiving any Centrelink benefits) are not as far off from 'them' as most people think we are.

Ability to distinguish between disabled and people who could be working but don't: 0.

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http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1352/PDF/03_spending_growth.pdf

Bulk of the money goes to pension and families with dependant children.

One of which will not exist by the time I am old enough to partake, and the other which is completely preventable.

Try not to let your heart bleed all over the place, it's unhygienic.

Pension will drop off significantly in the next 20-30 years. We aren't pumping out the babies like the boomers did.

Quote from chad;403395:
Minorci must of done a arts degree.

You obviously haven't done any degree.

I'm studying business btw.

Quote from Minorci;403402:
You obviously haven't done any degree.

I'm studying business btw.

Good for you. Though your a bit ignorant.

Quote from Jay;403398:
Ability to distinguish between disabled and people who could be working but don't: 0.Ability to understand my previous posts and references to the fact that people on Centrelink benefits consists of much more than jobless bludgers: 0.

Quote from chad;403403:
Good for you. Though your a bit ignorant.

I think it's quiet time. Grown-ups are talking.

Shhhhh grandinferno go play with your toys :D

Quote from chad;403412:
Shhhhh grandinferno go play with your toys :D

Well done chad. That's the equivalent of "I know you are, you said you are, now what am I?".

I'm pretty certain that this will work

follow this link, click yes, profit.

http://gamers-underground.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=11

sweet it works, new sig.

Thanks Harb

Best. Lol

lol oh god, I never laughed to hard in my life.

I am currently on centrelink lost my job from a holdens supplier after they feared the economic stories they were receiving and fired 50 people, mates of mine finish work on friday like we all usually do and come monday morning we got a phone call with these words 'you are not required to attend work today or in the near future thankyou...'.

And i have two kids and my wife, our family car's engine has kicked the bucket now we are scrapping money together so we can get another car now let me tell you there is not alot of choice of car to get with a budget of $500 that are reliable, i would catch public transport to get work but that is another thing that stops the employer mid interview when the question comes up have you got your own transport, i let them know i have a car that is currently out of order but i can catch the bus or train to get to work and they say sorry that is just one of our requirements to apply for work.
And now i hear here in South Australia the police are targeting old cars with slightly bald tires and smokey exhaust witch goes back around to the budget car at $500. But then the government complain that there is not enough people getting work and then the tax payers complain about centrelink clients not working and they are supporting them, i paid tax for a long time since i turned 16 i have been paying tax and now i am 27 years old and no work i feel like shit. But i will never turn around and call someone a bum for receiving help when they need because i know how they feel period.

I will also asked for a Moderator to please close this thread as it just provokes the trolls to come out and play.

Surely unfair dismissal?

Quote from Minorci;403804:
Surely unfair dismissal?
not when you and 49 others are casual :) big companies care not to cut down on their product costs but prefer to focus on the easier solution get rid of the casual staff (even though we work more hours then the full time staff).

I've lived in Darwin so long now that I can't remember what it's like to live in a city where there's more jobs than people

Quote from chaosengine;403808:
not when you and 49 others are casual :) big companies care not to cut down on their product costs but prefer to focus on the easier solution get rid of the casual staff (even though we work more hours then the full time staff).

If you have worked 6 continuous months at full time hours as a casual then you are entitled to the same rights as a permanent.

Before the thread is closed... and not trying to villainise anybody. The work laws (as they are now and have been in the past) are never quiet clear cut. There's opportunity for both employers and employees to be dicks. Centrelink is there as an office to arrange direct public related compensation funding (not just unemployment benefits). My problem isn't with people who genuinely try and make their life better, and are on hard times. Hell, I'm glad a service like that exists. But the problem is for people who abuse the system, like there is anywhere.

As far as the original question goes... so long as you can provide sufficient evidence to there being problems with receiving notification then you'll be fine.

On the comments on Chaos and Cryo, both have valid points, but also make some generalisations that simply don't apply to everybody much the same way as saying all centrelink users are dole bludgers (just not true).

Believe me when I say, generally speaking, no company WANTS to reduce staff, especially these days in light of work relations and laws. In fact, it's now so difficult compared to just ten years ago, more often it's the last result.

As an employer who brings in both full time and casual workers the employer with us had the choice of either type of employment (pretty rare) and in our industry, boilermakers, welders and labourers would often choose casual.

When it comes time to reduce staff numbers (and it's always the last thing we want to do) the casual staff do go first. It's the smart business thing to do. As casual workers you've paid significantly more in the weekly pocket (sacrificed for other benefits) as you usually don't accrue leave, super and various other 'bonus's'. Basically you get this in pocket instead. What you sacrifice is overtime rates as far as the weekly wage goes... but often you'll take home much more then your average full time worker per weak.

However, the benifit for both the employer is you can leave any time you like. Basically you can terminate with zero notice, and often it's at the detriment of the business (in this case not however).

There are now significant new benefits for the casual employee these days, and while you now have some shared rights, the basics still apply. An employer can still fire you with little notice (I believe it's two weeks after six months), though I may be wrong on that aspect. Short of that it doesn't have any other rights that they really share. EDIT: In addition to that the employee has the right to request full time employment but it's not required by law to supply it.

EDIT:
[h=3]Unfair dismissal and unlawful termination[/h][FONT=Arial]The Workplace Relations Act contains provisions protecting employees from losing their job unfairly (unfair dismissal) or because of a prohibited reason (unlawful termination).[/FONT][FONT=Arial]The unfair dismissal provisions provide employees with protection from harsh, unjust or unreasonable dismissal. However, the following types of employees are excluded from the unfair dismissal protections:[/FONT]
- employees employed by businesses with 100 or fewer employees

- employees who are dismissed for genuine operational reasons

- seasonal workers.

- employees engaged for a specified period of time or to perform a particular task

- employees serving a six month qualifying period

- employees on probation

- casual workers engaged for a short period

- trainees

- employees who are not employed under an award or workplace agreement and earn more than "01 300 a year.
[FONT=Arial]The unlawful termination provisions apply to all employees regardless of the size of their employer’s business. The unlawful termination provisions provide protection from termination on grounds such as trade union membership, family responsibilities, pregnancy, marital status, temporary absence from work due to illness and for discriminatory reasons such as gender, age and race or nationality.[/FONT]

Quote from Cryodeath;403863:
If you have worked 6 continuous months at full time hours as a casual then you are entitled to the same rights as a permanent.

hahaahahaha you do make me laugh mate... There are so many loop holes for them not to put someone full time it is crazy. It is ONCE you are full time it is harder to get rid of you but as a casual in the factory environment you can read the law as much as you want but it will not change the industry.

I think there is a 6 year period where you have to put in a unfair dismissal claim. Just put one in and see how you go.

I was working a casual job on the weekend at university, had rent assist from centerlink and study assist payments. I had 32 contact hours per week and about the same amount in study. Without centerlink I wouldn't have been able to survive properly at Uni.

As for the centerlink bums, hasn't the rate of call ins to report cheater increased since the Vic bushfires and recent floods? I think people are taking a better stance on calling out mates for wrong doings. I personally think we have our welfare system pretty well balanced, all you need to do is go see America. If you want a job free life, just have as many kids as you can and feed them fuck all.

If we really wanted to change the system for better use, you should have to submit a drug test every 3 months to acquire centerlink. But this probably invades civil liberties or something...

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