73 public posts in this discussion.
Aye, it's time to make a post.
I'm 95% certain to be leaving Darwin on the 5th of Janurary, 2003. Twenty days. Not long, and not nearly long enough. Going to have to say goodbye to my girlfriend (God, DAMN it), my friends up here, family (woohoo!) and the city as a whole. I'm moving to ANU in Canberra. Rather then kill it with a large post, I'll just use the words of the immortal Nerd Berger...
"So long, and thanks for the fish."
kewl, you can be cold with me :P
Meet up with Cow.
ANU is an awesome campus, you'll love it.
If you don't do well in class, you can get trashed at the bar recfectory :)
You'll be meeting alot more of us later Cow. I'll be heading down later on, and I have heard Quantum and Sardok will be doing so aswell.
arrrhh all goign to camberra hay
whats wrong with NTU? :D
o well it will be nice and cold in canberry all ya "things" will shribble up like frightend turtles :D
Quote from Knight Of Nih:
whats wrong with NTU?
you mean, charles darwin university, or some shit like that :S
not even taking into account how fucked it is, monitarily, managerially, and educationally.
well for a start, hows about a ONE MEGABYTE per DAY allowance
which can accumulate up to 40 mb total
you can purchase a gig for $60
looks like our continual raping of the network finally had an effect.
im finished though, sucks to be dowhat
Quote from Harbinger:
[quote:300068cdd0="Knight Of Nih"]whats wrong with NTU?
you mean, charles darwin university, or some shit like that :S
not even taking into account how fucked it is, monitarily, managerially, and educationally.
well for a start, hows about a ONE MEGABYTE per DAY allowance
which can accumulate up to 40 mb total
you can purchase a gig for $60
looks like our continual raping of the network finally had an effect.
im finished though, sucks to be dowhat[/quote:300068cdd0]
fuck me thats gotta suck
thats so SHIT
dam
i am going there for 2004 :P
I pity you Nih, I really do.
well i aint doing them fuckign PES subjects or what ver the hard ones u need
and do u really think any other uni other than NTU would want me?
melbourne apparently all you need is english
thats waht this dude that does the subjects at CSC told me
i wanna go melbourne UNI, i reckon would rock.
although brisbane is looking pretty good.
depends what i wanan do though, coz i dont know yet. mum says i gotta hurry up :( apparently im growing up :? what ever the hell that means :)
whats better melbroune UNI or brisbane?
Actually it depends on the individual program you're applying for. The people at the CSC Pizzahut stand don't know what the hell they're going on about most of the time. However they're good for getting to do jobs for etc, like calling up other Unis regarding any problems on the School's STD phone instead of your own.
Check the VTAC guides, or similar for each relevant state for requirements for applications.
Prestige wise, Melbourne Uni is among the topish of the Unis in Aus, just slightly above RMIT. UNSW and ANU are rated the top couple of Aus Unis too btw.
i wanna goto DigiPen Institute of Technology in the USA
Quote from Jay:
Prestige wise, Melbourne Uni is among the topish of the Unis in Aus, just slightly above RMIT. UNSW and ANU are rated the top couple of Aus Unis too btw.
Pfft. Melbourne University. It's a pale try-hard imitation of the One True Uni. RMIT? It's a joke. It's dying. Don't bother. UNSW is ok if you like to stand in the shadow of a real University. ANU is in Canberrrraaaaaaa, so I'm sorry, it doesn't count.
Repeat after me: "SYDNEY UNIVERSITY. SYDNEY UNIVERSITY. SYDNEY UNIVERSITY. Until I have been to SYDNEY UNIVERSITY I have not been to a university".
Amen.
Not that I studied at the One True Uni or anything ;)
[edited for grammos and spelling]
Quote from Timmy:
melbourne apparently all you need is english
DUDE!!??!!
Quote from Wolfspirit:
I'm moving to ANU in Canberra.
Go to Sydney on weekends.
For others amongst you who are moving interstate to study, and who would have otherwise considered joining the Liberal Club at NTU, I would be happy to make sure you are made properly welcome wherever in Australia you find yourselves. Being a first year is hard, if you're interested in student politics, drop me a line and I'll make it easier for you 8)
Open offer.
Quote from El Presidente:
Pfft. Melbourne University. It's a pale try-hard imitation of the One True Uni. RMIT? It's a joke. It's dying. Don't bother. UNSW is ok if you like to stand in the shadow of a real University. ANU is in Canberrrraaaaaaa, so I'm sorry, it doesn't count.
[edited for grammos and spelling]
Yeah well every Uni in Australia pretty much is in the shits. I was taking it from overall perspective. Besides I got the Australian Uni ratings for 2000 from the published stats in the Good Uni guide.
And yes Sydney Uni is up there at the topish too. Along with ANU, Adelaide, Monash, Queensland, and Melbourne.
Quote from Jay:
And yes Sydney Uni is up there at the topish too.
What's this "ish" hanging off the arse of the altogether accurate "top"?
Quote:
Along with ANU, Adelaide, Monash, Queensland, and Melbourne.
UQ's quite nice. Beautiful campus, very strong liberal club. Great people. But Sydney has the women, the good times, better coffee, better politics, and the delightful Thalia Anthony (aahhhhh!).
Quote from Lucifer Dragar:
[quote:4656f293bc="Timmy"]melbourne apparently all you need is english
DUDE!!??!![/quote:4656f293bc]
ey easy tiger, im just goin on what the guy at my school said
Well I was thinking of going to ANU or UQ not sure yet but I believe the uni in Melbourne is the second best in Australia only beaten by Sydney.
I think the list goes somthing like this..
1.NSW
2.Melbourne
3.ANU
4.UQ
5.QUT
Well something like that anyway but i do know that ANU is the best funded uni in Australia..
bah, uni.
If u wanna get into IT, get an entry level qual behind you, then get some field experience, caus guys who have actually DONE shit, get preference over ppl fresh outta uni who are cat5 virgins.
SYL
Quote from gobbles:
SYL
u must mean SUL?
No...SYL
Now I am feeling so depressed as a student of NTU :( not l337
I mean I don't want to leave Darwin, I have friends and family here. I also have a great job and I love the place. To have to leave to study would just be throwing my life into disaray.
I way agree that NTU sucks though :D
NTU in general sucks, although a few sections of it are Australian and Worldwide leaders in their field.
Gobbles sucks...full stop.
Also, whats with all the anime style sigs?
Just dont understand the attraction to anime.
Quote from Milenko:
Gobbles sucks...full stop.
Also, whats with all the anime style sigs?
Just dont understand the attraction to anime.
I really like anime - you can ask anyone who knows me, I am anime crazy :)
I have posters all over my wall and a *slowly* ever increasing DVD collection.
I like to show my devotion to my fave characters by using them as sigs and avatars :)
Would you prefer I had some orkz out of 40K? :P
Quote from Milenko:
bah, uni.
If u wanna get into IT, get an entry level qual behind you, then get some field experience, caus guys who have actually DONE shit, get preference over ppl fresh outta uni who are cat5 virgins.
cat5 virigns WTF LOL sounds... erm.. scarry . ;|
Quote from lani_b2:
[quote:e653330468="Milenko"]Gobbles sucks...full stop.
Also, whats with all the anime style sigs?
Just dont understand the attraction to anime.
Goggles or me?[/quote:e653330468]
Cause Auska is hot .... :) Rei ... just as good
Howie likes his women....................... FAKE :P
hehehehehehehehe...flamm
Quote from Milenko:
then get some field experience,
I didn't know that woolworths qualified as "field experience" old friend :twisted:
LOL.
Dont get me wrong Lani, i wasnt bagging it, i was just curious :)
Anime can be cool, i must admit :D
and Stuey ol' matey, no, it doesnt count as field experience :P
However, i wasnt referring to myself (i think :D).
If that WERE counted as field experience, then u and i would be IT gods my friend :D
I somehow don't expect field experience to get me jobs higher up the IT ladder, definitely not the ones a Software Engineering degree would make available to me :)
So you think someone who is fresh outta uni would get selected over someone who has been doin it for a few years and knows it first hand instead of reading it from text books?
If theres one rule in life that i truly believe in, its this:
"NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING can supplement experience".
by the way........i dont know everything and i am wrong from time to time.
Its a fact of life that one must embrace. However....what i have said is merely my point of view 8)
Quote from Milenko:
"NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING can supplement experience".
Nothing can replace it, and an experienced programmer would ge the job over a fresh-out easy. But for something that high up experience isn't gonna teach you what you need to learn (anyway being entirely self-taught leaves gaps in your knowledge and problems with your technique aswell, formal education makes sure you learn to do things the right way).
A formal education gets you in, experience gets you further up.
Quote from Milenko:
So you think someone who is fresh outta uni would get selected over someone who has been doin it for a few years and knows it first hand instead of reading it from text books?
If theres one rule in life that i truly believe in, its this:
"NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING can supplement experience".
<arrogant>
Oh? Really?
Quickly, tell me this: which is the best basic search algorithm to use on an alphabetically sorted list?
Hmmm, did you work out the binary search tree algorithm through experience? I thought not.
What's it's O-notation? Not sure? Thought so.
How's your Assembly and microprocessor understanding? Have you read Hennessy on the MIPS?
Did you learn any formal languages? Can you tell me what an s-expression is? Can you explain regular expressions, and their foundations in cellular automata? Do you know anything about discrete mathematics or combinatorics?
What do you mean experience doesn't teach you that? Rubbish.
It's called computer science for a reason. I did two years of it, and I wish had done more, because it opened my eyes. Experience is important, but it doesn't mean jack if you're writing bubble-sorts, spaghetti code and stuff with O(n^3) routines.
</arrogant>
:P
When did i say that text book learning doesnt teach you things?
when did i say that text book learning isnt advantages to your employment opportunities?
i dont deny that uni degrees etc etc help you or expand your mind.
Im just saying that field experience is considered a VERY big advantage. even you cant deny me that point.
I dont profess to know ANYTHING about what you just said :P. In fact, i was sitting here with a headache trying to work out what you wrote :shock:
My comments were more related to IT Technicians, as opposed to program etc etc.....my bad/fault, should have made that clear.
You are obviously someone who knows their shit, therefore, i bow at your feet. Just dont take me the wrong way. Like i say, what i have/am saying, is just a point of view.
*can hear the lynch mob coming*
Quote from Milenko:
You are obviously someone who knows their shit, therefore, i bow at your feet.
I didn't pay as much attention as I should have. But it was worth doing. It sure beat Idiots Can Learn C++ in 24 Hours for Dummies Big Fat Bumper Edition.
And don't worship me. I got into the advanced CS stream for one semester. Jeeezus. They were gods. To my left was a guy who wrote a fully networked bomberman clone, with sounds and Southpark characters, in two weeks. To my right was a guy who wrote a compiler in his first year (not just the parser, as was required, but an entire freaking compiler) working out of the Dragon Book.
*shakes nervously* they scared me.
Quote from El Presidente:
[quote:f8d121a917="Milenko"]You are obviously someone who knows their shit, therefore, i bow at your feet.
I didn't pay as much attention as I should have. But it was worth doing. It sure beat Idiots Can Learn C++ in 24 Hours for Dummies Big Fat Bumper Edition.
And don't worship me. I got into the advanced CS stream for one semester. Jeeezus. They were gods. To my left was a guy who wrote a fully networked bomberman clone, with sounds and Southpark characters, in two weeks. To my right was a guy who wrote a compiler in his first year (not just the parser, as was required, but an entire freaking compiler) working out of the Dragon Book.
*shakes nervously* they scared me.[/quote:f8d121a917]
What Jacques fails to mention is that he's known more about coding and computers at a younger age than many here :P
He knew more from simple tinkering than many people do in first and second year IT :P
You poke fun at simple simon dude, but I remember some of the late night discussions on coding we had over that little bot :P
You're both right, from a certain perspective ofc. The bottom line is this, schooling can only teach you the basics, real world mechanics dictates that you need to "experience it in the field" to make your textbook knowledge function in what is ultimately an unpredictable environment.
This concept is true for all industries (except perhaps electrical engineers, because sparkies get to make their fantasies a reality :twisted:), which is why people will often ask for "experience", even if they will accept someone without it in a pinch.
I must congrat you all on sucsfully hi-jacking anthor tread well done guys.
:twisted:
its a talent :P
El Pres, I have to give you credit for your skills, I don't know those things... YET :wink:.
Damn, Uni is gonna be fun :twisted:.
Yes you are all learning from the master.
I do my best at spam/hijacking........i have many years til i graduate though.
Quote from Milenko:
I do my best at spam/hijacking........i have many years til i graduate though.
why, are you only doing the course part-time?
Heh. El Presidente sounds a lot like me.
I have a lot of informal education. While I didn't understand most of what he said on the previous page, I could get the grasp of some bits. I was programming in batch files and Basic when I was 10 years old, and I was doing a Batcholar of Information Technology at NTU, part time while doing my high school work, when I was 13... Had to pull some strings to get into that. Had to submit some of my code and whatnot, plus have all these interviews with various professors (Bob Pascoe, Jim Jose, et al.) but I had a lot of fun doing it, and learnt a lot. Although I usually only managed passes or credits, I think given the situation I was doing ok. ;) It rocked being the youngest guy in the class by like 5 years. I stopped it in year 12 tho' because the homework load got a bit much, and I needed the marks so I could move onto another university, but well, I enjoyed it. In retrospect I think I could have continued on with it through year 12, but basically, I would then have to move onto NTU (Or, should I say, Charles Darwin University?) when I was finished... While I planned to at the end of Year 11, I'm happy where I'm (hopefully) going now... so, aye.
Informal education can be good, but the main fault with it is you get into bad habbits. Not documenting your code is a big one. Sure, you can understand it, but can the rest of the production team? Also, another thing I found was that I was using my own spacing methods in Qbasic, which disturbed me when I tried to move into VB in SIT111 because I wasn't ready for it... Plus, as El Presidente said, informally trained programmers tend to write spaghetti code... code which is all over the place rather then neat and organised...
The main problem, however, is that employers know that informally trained programmers are unreliable. It's not clear exactly what they know, or more dangerously, what they don't know. I mean, people forget things; just because you studied it in school doesn't mean you're going to remember how to do it five or ten or fifteen years down the track when you need it. However, if you've done it once it makes it a lot easier to learn again; most people can just skimread a textbook and it all comes back. But for someone who's never done it before, it can mean hours and hours of study... something no employer is going to tolerate during work hours. Also, the work attitude of someone who doesn't have a formal education is generally more lax then someone who has been through the school system, and employers know that.
Informal education has great advantages when you're not in the school system yet, but after you're of age it's time to fit into the ranks where you can learn much more, do the things you know more efficiently and learn it all in far less time.
lol, i had my cat 5 cherie poped a few days ago
it was suprisingly difficult, thank god i got a few spair packets of ends cause it took me several goes i still dont know what i did wrong? (it would cut in and out?)
oh and yeah, might as well let the beans spill and state that i will 99% likely be going to ANU next yr
And i will miss u guys :cry:
I should have a going away party - i know some ppl who would be celebrateing
Quote from Matt:
I should have a going away party - i know some ppl who would be celebrateing
Whoooohooooo... wait, you're going to ANU..... oh sh*t :P
looks like ANU is turning into a GU haven 8)
We're going, and taking half of Darwin with us 8)
man i couldn't even fathem HALF this shit you guys are talking about. i was looking into going to UNI and studying IT, lol but his thread seems to proove me otherwise :shock:
or is this just the nitty gritty side of things? can any of it be explained alot more simpler? if so there still may just be hope for me yet :) but lets not forget im only 16 :)
so i must congradulate all of you for even keeping this thead going :P
yeah explain it in little words for knight too :P
Yaaaay! Party!
And Timmy: Don't worry about it. As long as you have your TER, you can walk into any university course regardless of it's topic (assuming you have your prerequisits, that is). But, basically, courses assume that you have near-zero prior knowledge about the topic. At least at NTU, this resulted in a load of extra, optional tutes; basic computer competency, (how to boot, open word, etc) for instance. Don't worry, you'll learn eventually.
kick ass wolf, thanks
i know my 'basics'...i think, so maybe i will go into IT
havn't decided yet :(
Quote from Wolfspirit:
And Timmy: Don't worry about it. As long as you have your TER, you can walk into any university course regardless of it's topic (assuming you have your prerequisits, that is). But, basically, courses assume that you have near-zero prior knowledge about the topic. At least at NTU, this resulted in a load of extra, optional tutes; basic computer competency, (how to boot, open word, etc) for instance. Don't worry, you'll learn eventually.
Mind you if you're scraping in with your TER and extra requirements met and there's a few thousand applicants to that course. They will start choosing more carefully by checking up the courses taken for Year12
BAHAHHAHAHAHHA
NTU NO LONGER HAS A MINIMUM ENTRY REQUIREMENT :D
they did have one, but it was ignored anyways, i knew a dude who got into the bachelor of engineering course with a 67, minimum was 69 :P
NTU is the stupidhead haven
especially the art department, god damn i hate all those pretend faculties, jealous of our employability, denying us funding
fuckin hairy hippy bastards, god i hate em :x
im very impressed with most of you guys, however having said that there is alot of money and shit to be made in IT although if you want to make the real bucks it lies in IT management peeps,
i mean, look at you guys now, you live, breath, eat and shit IT right?
imagine the guys coming out of uni in ten years time, get some management under your belt and that is the only way you will stay on top. :wink:
bahaha, IT industry is so oversaturated :P
Hehehe, yep :D
My dad dropped out of school early and didn't finish his Uni degree. He now looks back and wishes he did the courses because although he's good at what he does it took him AGES to get the recognition that he had the ability to do what he applies for. Although now he's doing all the latest and greatest audio visual stuff in the highest courts of Australia ^_^ So he did get there in the end but it took him a lot longer then if he had a uni degree or something.
Quote from Timmy:
man i couldn't even fathem HALF this shit you guys are talking about. i was looking into going to UNI and studying IT, lol but his thread seems to proove me otherwise :shock:
or is this just the nitty gritty side of things? can any of it be explained alot more simpler? if so there still may just be hope for me yet :) but lets not forget im only 16 :)
so i must congradulate all of you for even keeping this thead going :P
Okay Jacques is talking about Computer Science and Milenko is talking about Information Technology. While I do not prented to understand this fully I think you need to know that they are different topics.
Ask them to explain - I am a not as well infromed at them.
And as some personal advice about NTU and its IT classes, so far even I have passed everyone I have attempted. And if I can pass SIT111 everyone can :D
Oh, these people couldn't
Quote from lani_b2:
Okay Jacques is talking about Computer Science and Milenko is talking about Information Technology. While I do not prented to understand this fully I think you need to know that they are different topics.
they are related though - probably in a similar way that Electrical Engineering and Electronics are related. One is real world applications, one is theoretical study.
Do they still teach you to write batch files? :P
Net Send batch files are naughty.
I got slapped on the wrists and was told "im the kind of person who gets banned from networks", after writing one.
*bad milenko, bad*.
Quote from Milenko:
Net Send batch files are naughty.
I got slapped on the wrists and was told "im the kind of person who gets banned from networks", after writing one.
*bad milenko, bad*.
LOL, I reckon your sysadmin would have shot me because of my "net send" Perl script that queries the Novell NDS database to work out which machine a person is logged in on, and then delivers a (possibly) multi-line message to them via NET SEND :P
Darkwolf.
Is there a limit on the size of messages that can be sent through that, or could I just dump on a multi-megabyte logfile?
Will have to set myself up a testing target someday and see :twisted:
log on as student
edit net.bat
type in
net send * F@&( U ALL
@net.bat
save and run net.bat
and run real fast :twisted:
(BTW dont log in as ur self as it tells everyone who it came from :shock: )
Ah the shit me and my mates got up to :), replacing their master ghost CD with one filled with multiplayer games just befor they cleaned their comps :) had on huge lan party that arvo 400 ppl fortuantly it was on 100mb swithces :) took out my crowbar in hl and hacked away at all the newbs :) (its funny to see em freak out and try to run)
Ahhh yes, idiots in my group at uni discovered net send. Although they would spam net send and send rude messages although they had one problem. They didn't know how to use the net send commands properly.
For Example.
net send * you gay f-cking prick
Spot the error.
Oh and at RMIT university too.
Well somehow the stupid network admin at our tafe actually managed to do something right when people used net send (he actually managed to track down the computer :))
Was in class one day and he walked straight in to the specifc computer and logged the student of the computer and told them to leave for the day and to never do it again or have their privledges revoked.
lol, yeh, it will either show ur login name or pc number/name.
Hell funny. Although u can turn it off as a service so that its 'disabled'. However any moron who knows anythin abuot it can just turn it back on again (dependin on priviliges).
Im not sure if there is a limit, but i usually write things like
"Net send *insertnamehere* GOBBLES AM GHEYZ0R"
or
"Net Send *insertnamehere* Im sleeping, leave me alone for about....three or four hours"
I love net send....:D
(but not the cnts at lans who drop u out of CS with em, caus i forgot to turn off the service :P)
The UNiversity of Wollongong won best uni in 2000 and 2001. Dont ask me why though.
RMIT I would have to say is probably the finest technical uni we have in this country - whereas other unis specialise in many other fields. The best bet is speaking to people in the field and to find out from them as to which uni's are offering the best package.
And for a change I agree with Harbinger - long haired pot smoking arts students should be forced to show why they should be allowed to remain at uni.
I have some pretty radical ideas on uni's and yes I have my Bachelor of Arts - which was a complete waste of time.