Life?

Ok... I know someone might think this is stupid... or just because i posted it its stupid i dont know and i dont care , but i want to know what YOU people's thoughts are on life?

Be honest, if you love life, its the best thing tell me, exactly what you think..

If you hate it and want to die... Tell me, be honest please... I'm not going to think your an idiot or fool or wannabe anything.... if you dont like it, say so dont be embarrised.

I personally dont like life much, I have cut myself recently because i've been bored or even because i was in a happy mood, wierd yeah ok, but i dont care sometimes i like it.

But I love life for only one reason. My Lovely Girlfriend, I love her to death and she is honestly the only reason atm why i like life, If i wasnt with her there would be no reason for me to like life, apart from CS.

I dont care if you think im wierd you can tell me or keep it to yourself.

I'm only after peoples thoughts on life, thanks :)

Life is fucked.

Fucked for one reason.

Money.

Thanks man, and so true too..

common people i need input.

Quote from Milenko:
Life is fucked.

Fucked for one reason.

Money.

Life is a SH!T sandwhich my friends, the more bread you have the less SH!T u eat,

I think there's something in that for all of us, don't you.....

:twisted:

Hmm... apparently I'm heaps philosophical, and so I see life heaps different to what other people see it. I personally, mostly love life. It certainly gets to me, but I find it hard to stay angry at someone, or sad at all. I can't be sad. I am just always too happy :)

Quote from Amphibious One:
Hmm... apparently I'm heaps philosophical, and so I see life heaps different to what other people see it. I personally, mostly love life. It certainly gets to me, but I find it hard to stay angry at someone, or sad at all. I can't be sad. I am just always too happy :)

This kiddies is why we tell you that exstasy is bad..... :shock:

Just kidding amph...

Life it's self is an issue, as society drifts away from being religious, people are being to find that to them it have no purpose as they lose their “got to be good or else God will smite me” type of thinking, so my reply is more of a “what it the purpose of life” issue.

Are we here to reproduce and continue our species and that is it, or is there a higher purpose? This issue with is that the “higher purpose” sends the issue spiraling back towards religion.

Here is a thought for what we are here for, that ties us into a higher purpose (of sorts) and reproduction the continuation of our species.

Humans are here to create “An infinite mass of Humanity”.

One day in the distant future Humanity will have nailed down space travel and Colonization of other planets and will slowly but surely speared across the universe until the Calculate able weight of all humans in existence reaches an infinite number, henceforth reaching “An infinite mass of Humanity”.

There are issues with this higher cause, being that the length of time that will be needed to achieve this means that it’s not a cause you could really put your life towards and among other things our inherently war like nature mixed with greed and religion , which stops even the small population of the Earth from living together.

But this may well be the real destiny of Humanity.

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[quote:8cf5952830="Amphibious One"]Hmm... apparently I'm heaps philosophical, and so I see life heaps different to what other people see it. I personally, mostly love life. It certainly gets to me, but I find it hard to stay angry at someone, or sad at all. I can't be sad. I am just always too happy :)

This kiddies is why we tell you that exstasy is bad..... :shock:

Just kidding amph...[/quote:8cf5952830]

Ok this also applies to Meataxe apparently, infinite mass of humanity, what u bin smokin kenny.....

Life is shit because everyone wants everything for nothing, and religion is just another reason to supress the weak and start wars

Life is great people! Lighten up!

It's all you got, because without life then well ... then youre dead aren't you?

What is the fundamental human goal? In the end, all concsious actions everyone are governed by happiness. The calculation of gain versus cost in terms of overall happiness, whatever form that may be, based on available knowledge. We're not always right mind you :P

This is an evolutionary mechanism created to guide our decisions.

So ultimately we try to get the most amount of happiness possible within our limited timeframe. The best way to do this is in essence the same as game theory (Created by John Nash, watch A Beautiful Mind ^_^):
In a game with multiple participants, the best overall outcome is achieved not by each participant doing what's best for themselves but by each participant doing what's best for themselves AND what's best for everyone else. This has been mathematically proven btw :P But it's really simple, cooperation and compassion are fundamental keys to achieving happiness.

This is my philosophy for the importance of morals while negating the need for religious belief.

Now that said, happiness is not limitless while sadness and depression essentially is. There are built in mechanisms within our brains that block the release of endorphins over a long time frame etc. This stops us from say, if you really like chocolate, the first few bars or so may seem orgasmic but after awhile the chocolate begins to lose it's appeal, not counting you getting full or anything.

So humans are always facing an uphill battle as it's really easy to get sad but really hard to get happy and stay happy for long periods of time.

Anyway, back to the original question. When I'm happy I feel as if I can see all the grand cosmic beauty of existance, with all the possibilities out there, ready for me to try out. When I'm sad I see nothing. No way out, my cosmic insignificance and all the problems in my life and the problems with the world building over me.

So life can be wonderful when you're happy and totally worthless when you're sad, even if you're in the exact same position.

Learning to accept the world as it is makes it alot easier to be happy.

Quote from Aravi:
Learning to accept the world as it is makes it alot easier to be happy.

Drugs are just a weak mans tool.

drugs are good 8)

i don't do drugs to escape reality, i use drugs to take my mind of it for a bit :P

drugs create a new reality :D

life r0x0rs.

get to know more people, the more cool people you know, the easier it is to be happy.

(ergo, for all the people you know that aren't cool, I'm sure Ebola could get some bigger crab traps)

-D.

The problem is people take life too seriously, which is why alot of people are grumpy old farts! As was said "Lighten Up" gotta joke around more take things in a more positive manner.

As Monty Python says "Always look on the bright side of life ..... *whistle*"

I went through the depressive stage when I was younger. I wasn't foolish enough to end my life though as I knew things had to get better at some point. And finally everything turned out for the best.

You just need to find a job or area of study that you really enjoy doing / learning about. I know many people take a dislike to school and is one thing everyone must suffer through. But take it easy cruise through and life gets better at the end of the tunnel.

Well life ain't fantastic but it's all you've got so my philosophy is:
"Stop bitchin and get on with it."

why complain about it when you can live it, hrm spend time talking bout it or go have fun, the odd ocassion after 2 or 14 drinks is fine but eh

Life is shit, Life is good.

It's a game, it is a matter of chance and how you play the game.

Quote from Seqo:
Life is shit, Life is good.

It's a game, it is a matter of chance and how you play the game.

thats true.

on a side note: I have a friend whos the happiest and most generous person I know, and yet he cuts himself with a knife all the time, whenever he's bored. Even in maths he once got out a lighter and heat the blade of his knife up for about 10 seconds then cut a gash in the side of his arm, I was like "what the fuck" because the way he acted around people you'd think it was the last thing he'd do, but he comes to school with slashes along his arm from when he cut himself the night before :shock:

Still he's in no way suicidal and has heaps of friends, I find it strange :?

Quote from Mungus:
Life is great people! Lighten up!

It's all you got, because without life then well ... then youre dead aren't you?

good point.. but if we were dead, then we wouldnt have to worry about anything then would we :)

Quote from Seqo:
Life is shit, Life is good.

It's a game, it is a matter of chance and how you play the game.

Does anyone actually like games of chance? Are we playing snakes and ladders here? What happens if you're dealt a bum hand, do you get to call "gentleman's hand"?

I say we wipe the fucking board like we all did as children and demand to play something else. Leading to a problem really...alternatives to life...hmmmm, not really all that much on offer at the moment. I don't think my saving for cryogenic freezing is going to get me more than a couple of hours of frozen slumber. And with all that saving I can't buy enough drugs to make me brain dead, so I guess the only real alternative is death/suicide. :?

We (I'm 19) are the first generation to be weened on postmodernism. Life is meaningless. We are no longer machinations of a greater machine leading to the appearance of a godlike figure. We are not a new generation looking forward to urban life and social interations. We are bored, apathetic and meaningless. While I hate postmoderism with a passion, most it's tenaments are very relevant to culture and society today - just expressed badly in some artistic endevors.
That of course wont apply in all cases, and I'm very very jealous of you hopeful (albeit ignorant :wink:) peoples who can cruise through all of the angsty crap.

Quote from mugus:
Life is great people! Lighten up!

It's all you got, because without life then well ... then youre dead aren't you?

Is being dead really such a bad thing if you believe you are incapable of experiencing something...um...I'll call it "real". Some of us have forgotton that we are animals (metaphor by the way) and have become completely disjointed with "life". I'm a bit confused here as it's an idea I'm still trying to fathom. Reality is very difficult to confront head on.

I got nothing.

(sort of unrelated, has anyone read The Unbearable Lightness of Being?)

personally, i love my life. occasionally i get depressed, or angry at myself (it's rare that i get mad at others, believe it or not :)), but generally i take things as they come. i'm learning to scuba dive at the end of the year, and i want to learn how to kite surf. on top of this i want to travel, because i feel that there's more to the world than what's fed to me through the media, and through the diluted opinions of others.

Good stuff Illusions.

I still hate life nothing has changed. But one thing i love.... besides my g/f one thing i love doing when my g/f isnt here.... is gfx work in Photoshop and image ready i find it fun, i'm not all that good at it, i know basics, i get Harb ot help me a fair bit... but i still enjoy it, i've figured a few things out recently, but as much fun as it is... i still hate life :D

I love many people, i like doing things... doesnt mean i still can't hate life.

A quote from Bill Hicks...

Quote:
The world is like a ride in an amusement park and when you choose to go on it you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and around and around and it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while.

Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question, is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, and they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because... this is just a ride."

Quote from rec:
A quote from Bill Hicks...

Quote:
The world is like a ride in an amusement park and when you choose to go on it you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and around and around and it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while.

Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question, is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, and they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because... this is just a ride."

Rec, And I just want my money back.

Quote from Ph3n0m3n0n:

Rec, I just want my money back.

Ph3n i just want my money back :P

I think you're missing the point. ;)

Life isn't so terrible, the hardest part is figuring out how to make the best of yours, each and every day. Be positive, nothing is ever as bad as it seems. There's always tommorrow. Keep an open mind, stray as far from ignorance as possible, every experience, good or bad, should be appretiated and learnt from.

Good shit Rec.... I honestly like reading your posts... if they're short :P

and I always take note i dont just brush it by :)

and i still hate life. But i thought about it ;)

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What a skeletal wreck of man this is.
Translucent flesh and feeble bones,
the kind of temple where the whores and villains try to tempt the holistic domes.
Running rampid with free thought to free form, and the free and clear.
When the matters at hand are shelled out like lint at a
laundry mat to sift and focus on the bigger, better, now.
We all have a little sin that needs venting,
virtues for the rending and laws and systems and stems are ripped
from the branches of office, do you know where your post entails?
Do you serve a purpose, or purposely serve?
When in doubt inside your atavistic allure, the value of a summer spent,
and a winter earned.
For the rest of us, there is always Sunday.
The day of the week the reeks of rest, but all we do is catch our breath,
so we can wade naked in the bloody pool, and place our hand on the big, black book.
To watch the knives zigzag between our aching fingers.
A vacation is a countdown, T minus your life and
counting, time to drag your tongue across the sugar cube,
and hope you get a taste.
WHAT THE FUCK IS ALL THIS FOR?
WHAT THE HELL’S GOING ON? SHUT UP!
I can go on and on but lets move on, shall we?

Say, your me, and I’m you, and they all watch the things we do,
and like a smack of spite they threw me down the stairs,
haven’t felt like this in years.
The great magnet of malicious magnanimous refuse, let me go,
and punch me into the dead spout again.
That’s where you go when there’s no one else around,
it’s just you, and there was never anyone to begin with, now was there?
Sanctimonious pretentious dastardly bastards with their thumb on the pulse,
and a finger on the trigger.
CLASSIFIED MY ASS! THAT’S A FUCKING SECRET, AND YOU KNOW IT!
Government is another way to say better…than…you.
It’s like ice but no pick, a murder charge that won’t stick,
it’s like a whole other world where you can smell the food,
but you can’t touch the silverware.
Huh, what luck. Fascism you can vote for.
Humph, isn’t that sweet?
And we’re all gonna die some day, because that’s the American way,
and I’ve drunk too much, and said too little,
when your gaffer taped in the
middle, say a prayer, say a face, get your self together and see what’s happening.
SHUT UP! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU!
I’m sorry, I could go on and on but
their times to move on so, remember: you’re a wreck, an accident.
Forget the freak, your just nature.
Keep the gun oiled, and the temple cleaned shit snort,
and blaspheme, let the heads cool, and the engine run.
Because in the end, everything we do, is just everything we’ve done.

Lyrics By Stone Sour Song called "Omega" it isnt really a song, its at the end of the album and he talks, not sings it... Its REALLY ... REALLY good.

Please read it.

take the bad with the good.

Because on cant exist without the other.

I still want my money back. The ride is making me feel sick!

meh, that question could be asked 3 times in a day, and often, most people will feel differently about life each time.... you'll hate it cos its 6am and you hvae to wake up, you'll love it because its home time and your seeing your g/f or movie, or whatever afterwards, then you'll be at home by yourself and hate it.

having said this, i hardaly like life. i dont like people they get on my nerves usually, and you cant avoid people in life, so i deal with it, just makes it all a bit more painful. of corse, every now and then its not so bad, its more that im content than happy....i havent run singing thru the streets since i was 16.... but thats what drugs are for, to help you float blissfully through life.... oh and the cutting yourself up thing.... yeah well your not the only on who does that, it is sometimes a cause for concern, if your worried about it, talk to someone or go see a psychologist or something.

LIFE has 3 rings.

Engagement ring, Wedding ring, Suffering....

i like that one ebola

"It is not the critic that counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles. Or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who at best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement. And at worse, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910

It must be called the "Quarter-life Crisis."
It is when you stop going along with the crowd and start realizing that there are many things
about yourself that you didn't know and may not like.
You start feeling insecure and wonder where you will be in a year or two,
but then get scared because you barely know where you are now.

You start realizing that people are selfish and that, maybe, those
friends that you thought you were so close to aren't exactly the
greatest people you have ever met, and the people you have lost touch
with are some of the most important ones. What you don't recognize is
that they are realizing that too, and aren't really cold, mean or insincere,
but that they are as confused as you.

You look at your job...and maybe it is not even close to what you thought
you would be doing, or maybe you are even looking or working in a job and realizing
that you are going to have to start at the bottom or fight your way to the top and that scares you.

Your opinions have gotten stronger. You see what others are doing and
find yourself judging more than usual because suddenly you realize
that you have certain boundaries in your life and are constantly
adding things to your list of what is acceptable and what isn't.

One minute, you are insecure and then the next, secure.
You laugh and cry with the greatest force of your life.
You feel alone, scared and confused.
You don't know whether you are happy or not happy.
Suddenly, change is the enemy and you try and cling on to the past with dear life,
but soon realize that the past is drifting further and further away,
and there is nothing to do but stay where you are or move forward.

You get your heart broken and wonder how someone you loved could do
such damage to you. Or you lay in bed and wonder why you can't meet
anyone decent enough that you want to get to know better and that can find
or just see you in all of this.
Or maybe you love someone but like someone else too and cannot figure out why you
are doing this because you know that you aren't a bad person.

One night stands and random hook ups start to look cheap.
Getting wasted and acting like an idiot starts to look pathetic.
You go through the same emotions and questions over and over and over,
and talk with your friends about the same topics again and again
because you cannot seem to make a decision.

You worry about loans, money, the future, your home, friends, family and making a life for yourself.....
and while winning the race would be great,
right now you'd just like to be a contender!

What you may not realize is that everyone who does read this relates to it.
We are in our best of times and our worst of times, just living,
trying as hard as we can to figure this whole thing out.
maybe it will help you feel like you aren't alone...

Quote from Ebola Virus:
LIFE has 3 rings.

Engagement ring, Wedding ring, Suffering....

Omg.. your my hero, but i still hate life.

I was happy last night for different undisclosed reasons... but mainly it was raining and i was talking to my g/f and things were said that just made me happy, but it makes me HAPPY, it doesnt make me love life, i love her and stuff but not life.... I dont think anything will change my thoughts on life.

life is overrated, dying is way better.
Ive died like 6 times now, and i can safely say that the afterlife owns normal life.

The second time i died, Jimmi Hendrix was in the place across the road from me.

Basically, what im saying is, death can be cool too, all you need is imagination.

Quote from Ph3n0m3n0n:

Omg.. your my hero, but i still hate life.

oi man you have a good life stop complaining.. fag

jay it flame wars... hello???

Life's what you make of it.. if you can't be bothered to make the effort then life is going to be pretty boring isn't it. Yes most of us realise life sucks but you have to get over it.. I don't particularly like it either.. infact quite often I can't wait until the day I die because I find this all so pointless.. but what's REALLY pointless is mulling over the same shit over and over and over and over.. you just have to get out there and have a go.. have the experience... and at least TRY to enjoy yourself... give it a chance :) You might find you can make do.. cope.. or even begin to like life among the living.

Phen you chose an unbelievably broad subject.
Life? You control your destiny, if you arent happy with something change it.. its as simple as that.

That's a great read Reaps. And I did relate to it ^_^ Awesome stuff.

Still ... despite the increased cost in living it does still seem to remain popular ...

Quote from SOLOman1:
[quote:dde7e3d6b1="Ph3n0m3n0n"]
Omg.. your my hero, but i still hate life.

oi man you have a good life stop complaining.. fag[/quote:dde7e3d6b1]

oi man, i've got one good thing going in my life and you know what that is.... the rest of my life is shit... you of all poeople should know why....

I'm pretty drunk right now, so excuse my ignorance to any points you people are making. You're basically saying life isn't that great, some are saying it really sucks, but "you just have to get over it" or "you just have to live with it"...

You hate life, ok, sure. What else do you expect to do? Life is everything we have, I'm not sure I understand the way your minds work. What would you prefer to do, beside life? Not live, at all?

Shut up ur drunk :P

but right....

half of em probably believe in an "after life"

Why not?

You probably think they're wierd for thinking that, and they probably think your wierd for thinking how you do man.... your so determind your right? maybe they think the same about what they think... and think your wrong... if you know what i mean. No ones really right or wrong, But It would be cool to see what happens when you do die? nothing.. or something, i guess i beleive in the after life because well... think about it, what happens to you when you die, nothing you can't NOT think of anything... gahg so hard to explain :?

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But It would be cool to see what happens when you do die? nothing.. or something, i guess i beleive in the after life because well... think about it, what happens to you when you die, nothing you can't NOT think of anything... gahg so hard to explain :?

there's a comment in a movie or a book or something about those last few minutes of life after your body has died but your brain is still going steady. something like 9 minutes i believe. the author compares that time to dream time and the speed of thought. how we can have an intense, narrative dream and wake up a minute later.

you can think of nothing. imagine being drunk. very very drunk. so drunk that you're comatose and passed out. people are writing rude things on your forehead and you're completely oblivious to it. better still, remember back to being in that state. pretty fucking difficult yes?

has anyone else come to the conclusion that we (the angsty ones) are here because we don't like to think about what us not being here would do to the people around us? also that there's still that little glimmer of hope from pandora's box?

Thanks for that Samid.... Gave me alot to think about... so true hey.. well I think Rec could understand what you mean about being drunk by the end of the night eh? :)

if you're depressed and looking for a way out and also a way into a new "happy" state of mind alcohol and/or mind bending drugs are the way to go...or are you too young/law abiding?

lol, last sat night i got stoned out the back of my house with a few fellas from OmR and drinking... so i dont think im law obiding.. sorry Spongy i still love ya :P

but drugs and alcohol are only a temp solution, because we dont always have money :P

For those of you that believe in an after life, what makes you think you're going anywhere better than this one? What makes you think it's going to be anymore more pleasant than this one? Heaven, you say, is going yo be more pleasant? Here's a suprise for you; for those of you with Christian/Catholic beliefs, you're not going anywhere near heaven if this life isn't spent wisely.

There's no point in writing off this one in hope of a future one, you're writing endless opportunities and experiences off by doing so. Cherish everything, take nothing for granted, do whatever it takes to make yourself happier, regardless of sacrafice. You only live this life, once.

Life Sux but you goto Live with it

:shock:

Well, to be honest, i do what you say Rec, but i still hate life but i TRY live it to the full... when i can be bothered :P

I'm Athiest (spelling?)

but you know, i dont go round saying bad stuff that can upset someone about there religion (knowingly)

no bad thoughs on any religion, you know what i mean?

Find your star - find that which you could not live without...

it's not so bad believing in something rec. sure, it may seem to be a complete and utter sham to us more educated types....or maybe just more logical :? in any case. those peps believe in something. they're very lucky to be so ignorant, at least that's what i'm calling them - i don't want to get into semantics. part of the problem with us confused youngsters is that we have nothing to believe in. NOTHING! postmodernism is rampant in the mtv generation, we are not special, we are not unique...it's fight club all over again but we're not brave enough to admit that we are nothing.

Wow - this is the most interesting thread I've read on GU for ages...

Maybe all that is needed is to find happiness in the simple things in life rather than looking for some larger issue...

Just my rampant postulations...

Quote from OverDrive:
Maybe all that is needed is to find happiness in the simple things in life

Bingo.

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they're very lucky to be so ignorant

exactly. the rest of us have to work harder for peace of mind, unfortunately.

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Just my rampant postulations...

isn;t that what all of us are doing. none of use know anything about whay we're saying. half of what i write is me trying to convince myself that there is a chance of happiness between angst, midlife crisis and the fear of death. the other half is codswhallop

but are these simple things enough to feed the human "soul" (excuse any spiritual connotations, a purely psychological soul) to continue growth and maturity?

I agree OD. this is a very good thread.

to be honest, i kinda hope there is something other than this... i mean, i guess i do believe in a 'heaven' but if there is nothing then i don't think i would mind ;)

there are too many other things in this world to be concerned about than whether or not there is an afterlife...

you have a fear of death samid?

actually, i'd like to know who else does?

my life has been at the lowest of the low and i've come to the realisation that, what's the point in taking it to that level. sometimes it may be the only way out (if you don't understand what i'm talking about by now, don't worry) but for most, it is just crap. move on and change what you are trying to escape from rather than running away and not having the oppurtunity to change it ever again.

I WANT TO DIE!!!

BUT IM STILL F@#!king HERE ARENT I

Edited By Korny... I dont think i should of posted that shit so i will just keep it clean .. :?

Your a wanker korny.

Thanks milenko your da shit to mate :p...

I just have some mental issues i have to address but you dont know what its like to be suicidal its actually kinda fun :shock:

Korny, dude, in all honesty I think you should probably seek some help about your prob, I mean you sound fairly depressed about it dude, I know this isn't the place to say this but I think you need it.

If you want to vent your frustration or anger just yell at me over icq and not on the forums hey :D I'm always here to listen to people with probs.

I realise some attention is needed to feel a bit better but maybe take a look in the mirror and talk to yourself about whats going on in life, and take a practical and mature approach to sort it out :)

Life is a completly shit and will be probably for the next god knows how many years, but try enjoy yaself eh? :wink:

Ok yeh, last statement was based off me thinking ur just shit stirring.

But yeh, if its true, then dude, talk to someone about it.

Nah im serious...

EDITED!!! Due to Violent Nature !!!!

So you don't need the PSU now?

nah i still need a psu ... because im not dead yet LOL :roll:

hmmmm....this is getting personal. makes it much more difficult as it's no longer just hypotheticals. :?

Quote from seqo:
move on and change what you are trying to escape from rather than running away and not having the oppurtunity to change it ever again

Quote from seqo:
you have a fear of death samid?

well, truth be told, no, no i don't. i don't believe that anything will happen to any of us when we die, so there's nothing to fear is there? while death may be a way out of it all, like you say (i think this is what you were implying) suicide is admitting defeat. and while you don't have to live with the knowledge that you're weak, it's still going to be one of the last things to pop through your brain. we angsty types are just confused, we're clouding the issue with other irrelevant quibbles, but deep down we know that life could get better any day.

perhaps i am the ignorant sod, preaching my daily dose of bull shit. perhaps not...but i live for this sort of existential discussion.

Quote from The Lord:
Just my rampant postulations...

Quote from OverDrive:
Wow - this is the most interesting thread I've read on GU for ages...

I feel special :D

Ummm.... My dad doesnt help :( he is so "By-The-Book" if you know what I mean, and Old fasioned. Its so annoying and grrr

I mean well, life is ment to be joyfull and exciting, i guess not all the time but it hasnt been for quite a while for me, i'm normally not very happy, if i'm smiling, laughing etc, i'm still hurting on the inside from certain things that go on in my life, I hide what I really feel. The face i'm wearing all the time, outside my house is just a mask, covering my real feelings.

Like i keep saying in most of my posts in this thread is basically I love my g/f and she is the only thing in my life thats making it worth wild at the moment...

-Thanks

GRRRRRRR SEE!!!!!!

good example!

mum was going to let me stay home from school today and let me goto cas to see my g/f and get some new jeans.

dad said no hes got school. mum already said i could. So i stormed out yelling "Why can't you let mum make any fucking desicions for once!"

I know i shoudl be at school but Mum said i could and he contradicted that! grrr

AND then when i got home from school, school called home because my IT teacher is a bitch that has something against me, and now i can't do shit this weekend so no DGA i dont know if i can see my g/f but i told mum and dad, i am going to see her weather you let me or not !!! grrrr

teachers piss me off... she was making up shit too... saying i never take off my hat and i dont do work and i argue back and disrupt the class, meh sif i do! im good :D

Wow great thread, ill spend the last part of the hour adding to this debate.

I think since i became a teenager, i began to feel a certain way about the world. I think this came from realising several harsh realities, breaking free of the fairytales and makebelieve that envelopes childhood. It was about this time i began to actually start to question. Question religion, existance and the meaning of life. Now, childhood has a place. It is a great time everyone should have priviledge to, its a time of innocence and naivity. But like childhood, this naivity cannot and should not last forever. For me at least, this breakthrough occured because my parents split when i was 8, i learnt in grade 6 i was not the invincible all powerful center of the universe, i was too antisocial - which bit me on the bum in later years, learnt santa and easter bunny werent real, etc.

So ive spent the rest of my teenage years trying to answer these questions of myself, what do i want out of life? is life a gift? Does the human condition prevent us from ever being happy? What is the meaning of life?

I believe there is no god or afterlife. I could rant on about the scientific theorums, which would be very like me, however ill just plain state i believe this. Because it is a stage for debate, some people are so sure, they are ready to die for their beliefs. This is a conclusion i reached for myself. But im not out to change anyone elses opinion, youve got to decide for yourself. You'll either believe in afterlife, no afterlife, or not really care. However i recon the only thing worse than beliving in an afterlife is not caring, is passing through life not even stopping to question what it all means.

I have come to accept that happiness is a relative, temporary state. Take two examples: A poor child come rich man, A priviledged child come servo. This priviledged kid has grown up with expectations, of things being handed to them. What this does is provides a benchmark for the rest of their life. A well off person would be much more unhappy as a servo than a poor person (I dont mean any offence to any servo's out there). Now, the poor child that becomes a rich man, should theoretically be happier than a priviledged kid gone executive. This is all because of the expectations and benchmark one has. Ok, i know a lot of you already have their mouse' on the reply button to point out im only talking about money here. True. Im a firm believer that money does not bring you happiness, but it works to relieve you of whats nessicary in life (food, clothing housing). Mind you thats an entire other debate, the purpose of money, and i cant be fucked diverging at the moment, my point proceeds. This principle of happiness being relative can of course apply to relationships and other important things. It just so happens i had possibly the best girl for me in my first relationship, and it buggered over because i didnt handle it properly, i was only learning :D. By recognising that the system of feeling happy is all relative, im prepared for what follows. I have little appreciation for the 'accumulation of wealth' because it isnt important. I know happiness is going to come through experiences, not money.

I think life is good. Life is an opportunity. It is a chance. A chance at what? Whatever you want it to be. If you want to be a chainsaw murderer, thats your choice. If you want to live to be constantly happy, you're probably kidding youself.

Personally, i see a lot good in the world as ive said. But ive had the gift/curse of being relativly priviledged. Now, those of you who go "Rich prick" or "oh you poor bugger", you obviously havent followed my arguement thus far. What i want to do, what i want my life achievement to be, is to travel and experience. I cannot wait to go to uni. Im going to have a great time meeting new people and learning about the world. When i get out there and backpack, i will experience the world for how it really is. The human trauma, the wastelands of poverty, the utter despair of the human condition, the oppression of third world countries; all in an attempt to establish a true perspective, a proper tier of expectation for the world. I embrace the world with an open mind, a fragile heart, and an empty soul.

Then as OD said, there are the little things in life. The most forfilling thing is creating something new. Breaking the same old cycle of post modernism. I hate it, everything is ripped off from something else. Society is looking for answers in all the wrong places, the past. The only way forward...is forward. Whatever i end up doing as a job, its going to be creative, thinking and proactive.

I would describe myself as a sceptical optimist. Im a sensual person, a romantic, a poet, an analyst, an idealist, a socialist, a pig, in a cage, on antibiotics (radiohead lyrics). There are a heap of ways to describe something, but in the end its just a load of opinions and ideas. Quote:
"One should not believe in isms, just in themself"

life is gay, should be ended,

wish was there was a suttle way to end it without pain, and then be a ghost or something.

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hmmmm....this is getting personal. makes it much more difficult as it's no longer just hypotheticals. :?

[quote:698b1e5053="seqo"]move on and change what you are trying to escape from rather than running away and not having the oppurtunity to change it ever again

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you have a fear of death samid?

well, truth be told, no, no i don't. i don't believe that anything will happen to any of us when we die, so there's nothing to fear is there? while death may be a way out of it all, like you say (i think this is what you were implying) suicide is admitting defeat. and while you don't have to live with the knowledge that you're weak, it's still going to be one of the last things to pop through your brain. we angsty types are just confused, we're clouding the issue with other irrelevant quibbles, but deep down we know that life could get better any day.

perhaps i am the ignorant sod, preaching my daily dose of bull shit. perhaps not...but i live for this sort of existential discussion.

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Just my rampant postulations...[/quote:698b1e5053]

i agree. i almost admitted defeat.

i don't fear death either, besides the idea that i will never be able to see my girlfriend ever again. so i would find it interesting to know why some people do...

one reason i heard from a friend at school was: "I fear death because life is so fucking great". Generally, that's what most of my friends have to say if they believe that. The other friends don't fear death because their belief is similar to what you have stated - there is not point.

Anyway, Korny. i dealt with a whole hunk of depression on my own. goddamn it feels good to be over that stage in my life. :)

however, for some people, talking to professionals is definately the way to go...

Blue, excellent post :)

Thanks for all your imput people, its a great read, I just finished yelling at my Homegroup/IT teacher because she made shit up and told my dad that shit. and i told her to ring him and apologise... it pissed me off that much, and if i can't see my g/f this weekend í'm gonna cut sick at my dad and at the teacher...

Its stupid, shes stupid, no one can understand her and she says thigns that pisses people off without knowing it. I want her to die.

she better make things better , she said she will call dad today sometime and when i go home dad better be there telling me she said sorry and i can see my g/f, i'll let you guys know how it went. homegroups almost finished so i'm going to talk to her after it again.

:(:(:(:(:( and this is the reasons i hate life, this isnt just a once off thing, it happens often! its not good! especially when i know im not in the wrong... much!

Thanks everyone for replying its an excellent read and please keep posting

gtg byebye

lifes pritty good for me at the moment
i have no complaints
sept this one fat sumo i live with who get stoned then gets all angry then yells and crys if he dosnt get the internet every min of the day
he was sooking last nign casue dad woudlnt let him out at like 10pm
its a school night and he wanted to go out
wanker
anyone wanan buy a 15yr old fat kid?

if anyone wants to talk to someone, i have aaallllll the resources, numbers and such for places to go.... websites, mental health places, free, not free, you name it.... or, you can wander around town and look for this lil book that the DCC puts out called 'feeling blue' or something like that.... which has all the info you'd need i guess. there is a youth one put out by them too.... im pretty sure the lastest edition has a red cover.

Depression is such a hardcore thing, alot of people cant see the ned of the tunnel and feel like its going to go forever. some people are on meds, some just deal with it, but no matter what, you need help sometimes. just venting, like folks are doing here is actually a huge thing in healing and getting over it. so gold stars for you all who do that! yay! .... for those who dont, or cant, or dont feel like they are being listened to, seeing a psychologist is good because your right there and can see they are listening.... or you could call crisis line, im not doing it just yet, but i know people in my corse who do, and they are really friendly and helpful people who can lead you in the right direction too.... oh they have face to face councilling too, i dont think many people realise that....

okay, thats my 2 cents again :)

reacurring thought here. you guys seem to mention girls a fair bit...is that what this all all about in fact? if you could see a girl that loved you when you wanted, do you think you'd be happy?

i think the answer is no, but i'm still interested.

I would be?

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I would be?

you would be? but dude, you said you have the girl and your still not happy.... okay so your happy with you and her, but not with you by yourself or with life.... depends how people see happy i guess and how they take the question....
personally i have the guy and im not happy, not as a whole which is what being happy is to me. being happy is all aspects of your life being peachy... not fantastic, but yeah im sure you all get my drift.... it sounds kinda idealistic, but thats just one meaning.

$2 kill me quickly

I think that most of you, are pretty damn stupid, and your views on things are definitely fucked up, although I believe because of some of your ages (I'm 21), that is the cause.

You expect too much, too soon out of life.

When I was younger (say 14-16) I wanted to grow up, I wanted to be allowed to do whatever I want, whenever I want, and answer to nobody for my actions but myself.

Now I have my wish, no one can tell me anything to do, I do whatever I like, and have no one to answer to but myself, but it hasn't come without a price.

I no longer have the comfort of just going home, and not getting up the next day if I don't feel like it because I have responsibilities. Sure I could act upon some of my responsibilities in a better and more mature way but sometimes I just don't care.

You all expect to much so soon out of life, I think of how knowledgeable I was when I first started high school, then I think of how I am now, and I simply cannot wait until I am older, like 40 at least. If my knowledge continues to increase then I think it will be simply amazing.

You only get out of life what you put in, how do you expect to get any satisfaction out of the small things in life, when you don't put in the time and effort required to get the necesites (sp?) done.

Everything you do in life is a choice, whether that choice is made out of need or want, it is still a choice and you have to live with the consequences. You can choose to let every obstacle get you down, make you depressed and feeling like shit, or you can use those obstacles, accept them for what happened, realised how you could prevent/improve the obstacle, and use it to lead you on with life to something better.

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I think that most of you, are pretty damn stupid, and your views on things are definitely fucked up, although I believe because of some of your ages (I'm 21), that is the cause.

mate...you think anything changes just because you get older? you're the same person still, no matter what age you are. don't judge these people, our views may be different but they are just as relavent as yours. however, don't bring your hate crimes here. :P

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When I was younger (say 14-16) I wanted to grow up, I wanted to be allowed to do whatever I want, whenever I want, and answer to nobody for my actions but myself.

is anyone talking about any of that here? phen was talking about not having control in terms of the "bigger picture". sounds to me like you were the immature sod and now you're just projecting yourself on the rest of us.

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Now I have my wish, no one can tell me anything to do, I do whatever I like, and have no one to answer to but myself, but it hasn't come without a price

good work, nice to know you get what you want, but realise there are consequences to your actions. i think all of us realise this already, even the 14-16 year olds. also realise that some of us have slighly more difficult wishes to fullfil that may have connotations to control, conflict and choice but are more about our philosopies about life...not the topic subject.

.... age is not always synonymous with wisdom

i cant wait till i turn 21 in 21 (what a coincidence, lol) days! i will be soooo much more smarter and mature than i ever was at 20!!! please!! okay so its true that the oldr you get the more things you know, but it dosnt mean you stop being a dickhead if thats what you truly are.... it just means you have pissed off more people as the years go by.

personally, i spent all my teen years wanting to be an adult and have my own money and a house and a car and travel everywhere.... it just dosnt work like that kiddies.... you think its bad now, wait till you have to fend for yourselves. all you have is that doing it yourself is rewarding, and that wares off.... im sick of being positive now and making everything seem rosey coloured. hate your life now? its because your bored, wait till your older and you wont have time to want to die, you'll be working too hard..... suck it up, get your head down, study hard and hope that in 5 years you'll slide into a cushy desk job.

vote #1! Lilu for grumpy dwarf.... :evil:

lol, ok i dont like writing heaps because I can't i dont know what to say, i dont know too many big words, so....

Lilu, i'm saying i hate life and the only thing keeping me going is my g/f that i love so much umm hard to explain... i hate life in general but i love the fact I have Emily as my g/f.. still hard to explain :P

Lee, wtf dude, thats your opinion ok, dont say out judgments are fucked because they're differnet to yours dude...

and... yeah I dont know, I just dont know. Thanks Lilu, samid and i guess Lee for cool (long) posts that i actually read :P

strange. my life turned around when i met my current Gf :)

did you hate life before you met Emily Phen?

and if you did, then be thankful that you have her now ;)

Wha deep thread. Impressive.

You say you need happiness and the only way there is of doing this is love. Can this be true or are there other ways?

life and love very closly related.
love gives meaning to our lives.
This leads to reproduction of human race.

Is there a higher meaning to life?

I have heard it said as "A way of the usiverse trying to understand itself"

Your life is shaped by the decisions you make we know we are going to die we come to live with this a get on with life and try to get as much out of it as we can.

Its like that fridge magnet on your fridge Ph3n.. Take Control...

I should practice this too.. :wink:

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Your life is shaped by the decisions you make we know we are going to die we come to live with this a get on with life and try to get as much out of it as we can.
best thign i have ever heard from u wortox
very true i might add
nice sentance

I did hate life before I started going out with Emily, Today she came round and well... it was cool to say the least ;)

Wortel... where did you copy that from? thats not like you to say soething cool and true and ... Smart! well done good read thanks...

and the fridge magnet wasnt on my fridge...

:D

keep posting, this is really interesting to read

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"A way of the usiverse trying to understand itself"

the main tenets of hegel's philosophy are that ideas underlie all forms of reality, that all events must be perceived in terms of steadily evolving principles, and that the entire historical process is a rational and necessary development leading to the emergence of a self-knowing divine spirit, hence the labels 'idealist and 'metaphysical usually applied to the theory. hegel called the spirit the inner nature and fate of the world, the inner architect of history and the eternal and absolute idea. This inner spirit expresses itself as the spirit of the nation (the volksgeist) and of the age (the zeitgeist), which two together constitute the paeant of hisory unfoolding and moving forward in continuous motion.

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ripped from an art essay i wrote last year (art is a fantastic subject btw). hegel was born in 1770, showing that these ideas really are not all that original, he probably took them from else where as well. those german philosophers did everything...if this sort of stuff appeals to you, read some goethe, sorrows of young werther or faust, he's a fantastic 'ideas' man.