Alot of you people don't know me, but any who do know me know that i am not going to joke about an issue like this especially when i could be happily packing for My Trip down south... BUT
Earlyier Today i recieved and email from my ISP (ozforces) that i was infringing on one of the rules of their Service as they had recieved a complaint from Paramount Pictures for Downloading of a File which is Copyrighted to them.... Translation.... They Caught me Downloading an Enterprise episode on E-Donkey and they were giving me a chance to Stop, delete it, and then no further action would be taken....
I know I have been Reading around about people getting in trouble for this and Going to court and such, but i always felt somehow too far removed or not hardcore enough to be of any worry, but who knows perhaps Ozforces is complying with Paramount to send out a few warning to get themselves off the hook, it doesn't matter the details the point is They ARE OUT THERE and they ARE FOLLOWING YOU!... be warned... Don't Do any thing STUPID!.... and learn from My Warning...
Your Friend Burgers The Worried!
Ps. I will try to keep people up to date on it if anything else occurs, and i could not paste the email in as it is Confidentiel....
I had the same warning from Internode.. i did make a post about it. http://www.gamers-underground.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13426&highlight=
They were saying they had sufficient evidence that i was uploading copyrighted materials and if it didnt stop, further action would be taken. (i.e. court) :wicked: they said nothing about downloading. :wicked:
I pasted my email as it wasn't confidfential :D
When i rang internode they said they had a complaint from an international copyright commission, and if i didn't give them written confirmation within 48 hours my account would be terminated.. (not suspended, but terminated) for a breach of Internode Acceptable Use Policy... and they would forward my details to this commission for prosecution.
Quote from Unseen: How can they track your exact movements and downloads. Breech of personal rights I think.
Meh I download and upload and I aint going to stop.
I still download.
It's not a breach of personal rights.. it's in your contract with your ISP and falls under the Acceptable Use Policy. Some company sees 'Internode' (example) are downloading copyrighted files.. they contact internode, internode checks the logs and contacts the user..
50% of the time, they can't tell in the logs who it was.. when they can, they send you that email (see my previous link). They get dozens of complaints a month. This is my understanding from a lengthy chat with an Internode Staff member over my email.
What is a breach of privacy laws is, Internode cannot pass any information about you to the company making the complaint.. nor from the company making the complaint to you, without written permission.
There are things out for E-donkey (lists which edonkey auto updates) which protect you from this kind of stuff... I won't post it as i believe it breaches the GU rules but have a look on the edonkey forums or the emule forums.
the guy was claming the companies put up their items for download and blah blah blah they track anyone who downloads it...stuffed if i know how they do it or why they would go to such trouble but...meh
hmmm... thats crap.. half the reasion people have adsl is to download... why else would there be unlimited adsl for.... but they will find out some way to bypass this... so soon we can download with no probs... :)
eh, call me thick but what I don't get is how in the f'ing name did Paramount Pictures get a hold of what data was going through your ISP and to you? I mean not like a ripped movie is tagged or anything... So your ISP basically what tells them about the prob, then covers their own ass by getting you to stop... I'm lost ?!
Paramount would hire a company to watch who is downloading specific files over peer to peer software.. (and yes, they can get your ip)
That IP belongs to your ISP.. so they contact them and complain. The ISP then checks the logs and, if possible, singles out a user and contacts them.. it's quite simple.
I wouldn't expect ISP's to dob you in for copyright material, beacause the way i see it is that that want your business, they want you to use bandwidth, they want you to download as much stuff as possible and hopefully you're on a ca$h per MB plan.
If music and movies etc are stopped dead from general downloading, i think ISP's would suffer, and could probably form a powerful lobby group.
Let's hope they join 'our' side and not the 'dark' side.
paramount shares file. paramount notices who downloads file. paramount queries owner of ip address (isp) for details regarding who had it at the time. not that hard.
Quote from paladin: paramount shares file. paramount notices who downloads file. paramount queries owner of ip address (isp) for details regarding who had it at the time. not that hard.
Wrong there Paladin..
Paramount don't care who had it at the time.. blah blah blah
the complaint they have is an IP address owned by that ISP was downloading copyright material. Stop it.
It's up to the ISP how they deal with that.. and to what extent. Its against most ISPs Acceptable Use Policy, and if you don't take action, they will Terminate your account.
Quote from BurkynYurkyn: [quote:ce20c32f3a="paladin"]paramount shares file. paramount notices who downloads file. paramount queries owner of ip address (isp) for details regarding who had it at the time. not that hard.
Wrong there Paladin..
Paramount don't care who had it at the time.. blah blah blah
the complaint they have is an IP address owned by that ISP was downloading copyright material. Stop it.
It's up to the ISP how they deal with that.. and to what extent. Its against most ISPs Acceptable Use Policy, and if you don't take action, they will Terminate your account.[/quote:ce20c32f3a]
depends on the complainant there really, its par for the course for the riaa to gun straight for the end user. isp doesn't have to comply with the request for information tho
they can't really gun for the end user without the help of the ISP.. and if the ISP gives out your information they are breaching the privacy act and you can sue them.
umm I may be thick but if a company makes files ( music/videos etc ) "publically" available via a web site then how can they whinge if people download it ?
If they are copyrighted then it should not be "publically" available ....
I was the WA Stae Govt. Internet Administrator and had all sorts of grief about copyright etc ( mainly graphics and logos ) and I did a bit of research and came to the conclusion that if its "publically" accessible ( via legal means and not backdoor hacks or other illegal methods etc ) then it is fair game to download. What is the sticky bit is what you choose to do with it - ie resell or reuse stuff you have obtained - thats the illegal bit - posession is not
unfortunately its not clear cut at all. in most cases tho, companies do not go after downloaders of copyrighted material, but sharers of. granted, in many p2p environments downloaders are automatically sharers.
in fact many companies seem to think that just because something is publicly available on their website, you still don't have any rights to view it, i can't remember specific examples but there have been court cases over this.