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Are people been overly racist about muslims?
I find it happening in melb in the papers and on the radio
Im dissapointed about it, and you have to think what they might have been though...
I heard a person call into the radio asking john howard to order and mass killing of old and new boat people... like wtf?
personally. im sick to fucking death of everything about september 11. it happened last year, why the hell our tv, radio and newspapers have to continue to be polluted by references to it is beyond me. sure, it was a tragedy, maybe even hold a minutes silence or something, but for crying out loud get over it already, its almost as bad as the whole princess di thing.
agree paladin :P the whole september 11 is overplayed.
I was reading this article about this chick who lives in darwin and she was watching the news and saw what happened, and then she is like oh all these poor firefighters died saving the people. Then she is like all worried and cant sleep now cause it could have happened to her husband. And he is a firefighter in bloody Darwin!!!
I mean seriously... more people die in car accidents every year. Focus on that ffs.
Yeah but you can't blame that on the muslims ;)
yeah you can. i'm sure they'd drive better if they took those #$#@*& veils off their faces. they'd still be women tho i guess, hrm.
Arrgg, if I see ONE MORE september 11th thread, I'll explode! I'll only say that I agree with yous, now I'll have to go away and let my blood cool down :roll:
And America keeps its citizens beleiving it was an unprovoked attack.
Their interference in the Middle East that lead to this, unfortunately, it didn't teach them the humility it should have (Which would be a good thing, it's the means employed that disgust me).
Many people have said it before, America as a nation had it coming, while the people in the towers did not deserve to die, it or something like it was bound to happen sooner or later.
and everyone they are going to kick the shit out of for it also deserve it, in one way or another
How many innocents have America killed in their fight against terrorism?
I do beleive the correct term is "diddums"
Get this -
The Americans did it to themselves.
The Americans wanted war, but diplomacy between other countries prevents them from pulling it off successfully.
So to get the other countries mad they took out the world trade center. I mean every nationality pretty much has an office in the trade center. Then blame it on the country they hate and bamn instant approval for war.
Of course to add believability to the subject they attack the pentagon doing a measly amount of damage to it but enough to make the world think of terroism.
The innocents America have killed were just as deserving death as the civilians in the Twin Towers.
its a fucking war for christ sake. civilian casualties happen. ugh. i'm sure there's a politics-underground or some such forum around somewhere to argue this shit. i'm 11 months 28 days sick of it.
aravi, right now im gonna say you're a psycho and leave it at that
SperO, you are more accurately described as a nutter :P
What scared me Sper0, is that that theory is beleivable.
America was also very quick to point the blame. Think about it, if they took their time the American public would be blaming the government for not protecting them, find either the culprit or a scapegoat quick and the public will simply want you to kill them.
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SperO, you are more accurately described as a nutter :P
That theory isn't that far-fetched, a far-fetched theory would be something along the lines of
"The US government are training a new special ops team trained in the use of Volleyballs as deadly weapons, these teams will ball Osama Bin Laden to death, something that will take much longer than stoning".
Now I know that's not true, because Sper0 hasn't had to disappear to any secret training installations yet.
you can't comment because you're a psycho
And I want to kill you.... :twisted:
It's something that should be remembered, but it's just being absolutely mutilated by the media.
I watched that damn S11 special the other day, and I fell aslsep watching it.
ookay. september 11.. there i said it.
the whole thing was a tragedy which is why a year later were seeing every chanel bar SBS doing specials on it.
This happens aaallll the time. princess dianna dies, ooh ooh.... elvis presley dies, ooh ooh... america gets attacked. ooh ooh. and a year later they have theyre big memorium thingys and its in the past.
Granted when i saw all that was going over there i did my little crying bit. if only because the scenes were so graphic and real and here in oz im in my cuccoon and feel safe. i still do.
But there is nothing you can do to shut them up except choose not to watch it.
As for the muslim thing. well whoever is blaming them for something done on the other side of the world are a bunch of morons. i hate racisim. muslims are people too, and i bet muslims were killed on 9/11.
All in all its the age old tale of people v's people. half think its a travesty half think that everyone should shut up.
I'm totally sick of it all too. Get over it already... ffs. All tomorrow means for me is lots of boring crap on TV. Yes it was a tradgedy.. NO SHIT.. do you think we are stupid? I don't see how the Channel 7 news being live from New York helps me to know what the weather will be like on Thursday.. it's of no friggin relevance to me.
The most annoying combination of words to ever exist are..
Weapons of Mass Destruction
War on Terror
Axis of Evil
I lost all respect I may have had left of George Bush when he said 'We're in the business of regime changing' :roll:
I'm sick of the US anyway.. the country is absolutely screwed up. Their government is a lying, back stabbing piece of shit.. They brought it on themselves anyway. In the end they it was a win situation for them.. can anyone say oil (and there is a lot of proof on this matter as well)?
Shit we could go on and on and on about it this.. I don't like Israel either..
I am soo over the planehijackingandcrashingintobuildingthing that has been over played on the TV-Radio-Internet..etc...etc....
America was in a state of totalheaduparse syndrome... This happened an it's like the world was attacked...They make out like America is the World and the other Countries don't mean shite.
Let's face it....If that happened in say Sydney for example, It would be on the news for a few days and that's it....They would play it for a couple of days and that would be it. Because it isn't happening to America it isn't worth thinking about.
It was a bad thing that happened but you can't go back and change it now. So excuse me if I don't get too cut up about the whole affair, it's just cause i've had a gutful of the "America" concept. I am into"Australia" how about you???
Sounds good to me Monkey :D
Guys are missing the point me feels
it's possible to remember something without having it blasted at you from every paper, tv and radio in the world.
Sepos do not concern me. I didnt give 2 shits when it happened and i still dont.
Will all this S11 stuff just go away? Yes it was a tragety, Yes the US is powerful and its influence is resented and the same goes for Iraq. If they really cared they would have blown Saddam away when he was killing his own population. And Bush wants to lead people to war like his father did a decade ago..
Remember the repedative News fotage 24/7 on the Gulf war....Conspiarsts run rampant, Miltants go crazy and Polies win points on these issues and in the case of OZ jump to the US due to our dependacy on the US as an ally...Any student of Aus history knows that Aus depends upon a world power....As for today I'm pulling out the games and DVDs coz i'm sick of this shite..!
Hmm.. can't remember much of the Gulf war. All I can really remember is the TV was always green (nightvision) with all these bullets and missiles flying all over the place and that's about it. And the fact that it was on all the time.
Well, I'm sick to death of seeing that footage of the plane smacking into the tower. I'm sick of seeing cameramen disrupting people who are trying to pay their respects to their family members who died in the WTC.
Ya wanna know why?
Because the bloodsucking media keep playing it again and again to try and get more ratings. They do interviews with people who'd much rather just not dredge up all the pain of losing their loves ones, just to boost up the ratings. They run all these "recaps" all the time, hoping to fool at least some people into watching it all over again, to boost up the ratings.
They open up all the psychological wounds on the families of the victims of the World Trade Center disaster, to try and get a few more viewers.
And why do they want more viewers? Why do the ratings count? Because they charge their advertisers a fee based on the ratings level of their shows.
So, it all comes down to money. Every time that plane smashes into the tower on the TV again, some money-grabbing, soul-less financial manager is screaming "KA-CHING!" straight into his quarterly ledger.
I sure hope there's a special place reserved in hell for people like that.
Darkwolf.
Very true.
We should not forget, but we should also get on with our lives.
do we all realise were the people were saying we hate. we want it to go away, and yet, were still talking.... ha ha
and as for the Australia thing... what about the thredbo disaster or the massacre down in tassie?... they were on tv for aaaaages
I cant speak for the US and what they covered tho.
In the US it was probably a little 5cm by 10cm thingo in one newspaper for one day or something.
I've heard that Australia has to officially support America because if we don't, every other country in the treaty are allowed to attack us or something :| Anyone know if this is true?
Well, i heard the nazi's where coming back lol
I happen to disagree with all of you. One thing you're all forgetting, in all of this, is that there were actual people in those towers. Not statistics, not nameless clones, people. Those people had lived, on average, a total of thirty years; thirty years of experience, thirty years of life, times three thousand, all extinguished.
That said, the Sept. 11th attacks on America were NOT the biggest tragedy of the century. 80% (Eighty percent) of Kenyans have AIDs and will be dead in ten years; more people die *every day* of hunger and dehydration then died in the towers. Yet, these things are barely known, and talked about even less. But it's the very concept of the attacks which astounds; there was no military or strategic value in attacking the two towers with aircraft, and precious little in attacking the Pentagon. America doesn't run a centralized military; even the complete annihilation of the Pentagon would not have disrupted their military powers in the slightest. No, the attacks were not done for any military reason; the reasons were entirely psychological. However, history is not on the terrorists side.
I have not found, anywhere, record of any attack of any description against civilians doing anything except killing a few people and wasting bombs. Take World War II, the Battle of Brittan; Adolf Galand made the decision to cease bombing Brittan's airfields and RADAR stations and focus on her cities, and while the cities did indeed burn, Britian was angrily united as one against the Germans. In addition, the time gave Britian a chance to rebuild RADAR stations and get their planes flying again; the Germans only had one more chance to equalize the war, and they blew that one, too (Use of the ME262 fighter craft would have, in my humble opinion, completely reversed the tide of the war and bought the allies to their knees; however Adolf Hilter insisted the aircraft be his 'Blitz bomber', and in the time it took to convert the aircraft to a bomber <which could only carry a single bomb>, the plants and factories which produced the craft were overrun by the allies).
The attacks on the Twin Towers had hoped to, as President Bush put it, "Scare us(Americans) into chaos and retreat." As he also said, "They have failed." America has united in such a way that has never been seen since the War of Inderpendance. One of my good American friends was talking to me a month or two back, when America was still bombing Afghanistan; she said that, as a pacifist, she felt sick every time she watched the tapes of the bombings and missile attacks against Afghanistan. But, at the same time, she lives in New York; she said every day she goes to work, she can see the vacant place where the Trade Towers existed, and suddenly, she doesn't feel so sick any more.
But there is a flip side to all of this, of course, as there is with anything.
I also had a long talk, two nights ago, with a close friend of my mothers. We didn't mention Sept 11th, but we DID talk about the middle east, Israel, and the concept of Palastine. Two weeks ago, her friend and an aquaintance of mine, a local judge in fact, was in the middle east; she was standing in the sun, and it was hot. So, she went to move over into the shade; apparently, this simple action was enough to cause the local Israelie soldier to point his loaded M16 assault rifle at her and motion for her to move back into the sun. Needless to say, she complied. Also, that day, she saw a dead body in the street, riddled with bullets. Naturally horrified, she made inquiries into the man's death, and why no-one had movied the body, even though it had clearly been there for at least a day. She learnt through her inquiries that, just the day before, the boy who was infact no more then 15 years of age, was taken from his house by the Israelie soldiers, and machinegunned in the middle of the street. Why? His *brother* was *suspected* of being a spy.
Now, with those two incidents clearly in your mind, one must imagine how those in the middle east feel. Israel is a state which was created after World War II as a place for displaced Jews to live, and it recieved (and still today receives) large payouts from the American and British governments. The M16 that the soldier I spoke of earlier was wielding was paid for in American dollars. Why all the interest, you ask? Why does the United States back Israel so strongly? The answer is simple; oil. That's all it is. Middle East has it in huge amounts, America doesn't. A single American consumes more oil then three hundred and seventy Etheopians; they comprise 5% of the world's population, but consume 25% of it's energy. 99% of the energy supply for road transport in OECD countries is sourced from crude oil. They need the crude oil that comes from the middle east and Africa; the only way they can get it, is to ensure stable allies in the area, by literally moving people there over the top of existing people, call it a country, then giving the inhabitants of the new country enough money and weapons to enforce the existance of the new country.
Imagine how the 'Palastinian' people must see the United States? As strong supporters of Israel, strong support of these barbaric acts, strong support of the soldiers who preform them. I understand completely where the anger towards the United States in that part of the world comes from. It's not 'The Religion of Islam vs the United States', it's most of the middle east vs the United States. Funnily enough, the predominant religion there is Islam, and therefore most people assume that it is that is the Islamics alone who preform such acts; such assumptions are simply incorrect.
I am sick of something, however. I am sick of those who comment on the 'media frenzy' surrounding the events of Sept. 11th, I am sick of those who are looking only at the negative aspects of media coverage and ignoring the positive. The Sept. 11th special on Channel Eight was shown completely *without* advertisments; a very big thing for a commercial television station. This pleased me greatly, just as it pleased me that Saving Private Ryan was shown on Anzac day, again, on Channel Eight, and again, advertisment free. These are important issues, and they need to be known.
So, in conclusion, I am not sick of hearing about September 11th, because judging from the content of this thread and of others on other boards around the internet, a lot of people don't know why it happened and need to learn.
An interesting comment I heard was that nobody would want to advertise during those shows for fear of negative feedback from the public.. hence why the are shown without ads. They wouldn't want to look as though they were cashing in on the tragedy.
You're right ont he ball with the Israel thing too.. personally I don't think they should have ever existed as a country.
And Lilu I said exactly the same thing about Thredbo!
Personally i think the american government/agency new the attacks were coming and didnt do anything about it. I mean look at americas history. Pearl Harbour for instance. At the time the american population felt that WW2 had nothing to do with them in essence it was not there war. Then USA cuts off Japans oil supply via pearl harbour leading to the attack on the harbour itself. Its been said they were also not only aware of the incident happening but planned on it as a means of generating public support.
Now look at Sep 11. There was information given to the FBI that it was going to happen but nothing was done about it. Then after the sep 11 they had full public support to launch the assault against afghanistan and theres still enough public support and hatred left in general to launch an assault against Iraq now. Wasnt it during the last Bush presidency that the Gulf War occured??????
All i can say is Damn Yankee Bastards
The last Gulf War was caused by Iraq invading Kuwait and cutting off an obscene amount of the US's oil imports. America's response to it had nothing to do with the good people of Kuwait, it had everything to do with trade and finance. They couldn't allow someone like Saddam Hussein to take over that much of the middle east oil trade.
To compare that to the latest US muscle flexing is somewhat pointless, the two situations are completely diferent.
Wolfspirit: your point is valid, but I mean c'mon, *EVERY* goddamn channel bar SBS!?
Lets all work to fix the goddamn problem so that it never happens again, not stand around and focus on the event itself.
12 hours of TV coverage on not one or two, but three major TV channels won't bring those people back, and it won't rebuild the world trade center. It won't even remove the possibility that this could happen again.
by all means hold memorial services, but do we really have to get spammed with them?
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So, she went to move over into the shade; apparently, this simple action was enough to cause the local Israelie soldier to point his loaded M16 assault rifle at her and motion for her to move back into the sun. Needless to say, she complied. Also, that day, she saw a dead body in the street, riddled with bullets.
this is just the case in some places of the world...
you CANNOT expect another culture, country, social way-of-life to comply with your high moralities... no offence or anything.
i do agree that it should be remembered, but not butchered by every media station on the planet into making us think all arabian peoples (more often than not...islamic people) are bad and evil and want to rape our cattle and slaughter our wives....or the other way around :P
but we still have to remember what happened, but not on the grand scale it is.
also, wolfspirit, you may say you are informed...however, you live in a society away from the harshness of the 'outside world' you don't know what is going on everyday. you see and hear what others tell you to see and hear....(ie major biases...whether it be friends...the media...associates...mistresses :P) so in actual fact, what you believe is an informed viewpoint may not be quite as informed as you believe...
anyway...my thoughts are once again muddled...:| so if it doesn't make sense, please reply with a quote of what you may not understand or agree with and i will glady expand upon it :)
EDIT: completely agree meph, the bombardment is stupid and it reminds me of the gawd awful remember Princess Di.. at least with S11 it was 3000 + people, not just one person that had no affect on my life in the slightest....:|