Pings.

Hi,

I'm on Internode ADSL and my pings have been sweet to the node servers around 50-60ms. However this mornin I woke up and found this:

Pinging games.internode.on.net [203.26.94.189] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=131ms TTL=58
Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=118ms TTL=58
Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=58
Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=145ms TTL=58

Can someone else, in Darwin of course, ping this and reply. I have read that periodically our pings here increase due to a routing stuff up by telstra, perhaps this is another one of those situations.

Addas.

Pinging games.internode.on.net [203.26.94.189] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=59
Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=59
Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=59
Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=96ms TTL=59

we do get high pings thanks to Telstra but it isn't bad as long as it is consistent and it is reasonably consistent most of the time ;)

512/128k Internode ADSL.

Yeah i suppose, but what shits me off is that 12hrs ago they were 50ms, and because i know they can go that low, i naturally want it that low all the time eh.

Well dude, its an imperfect world.

a shit, sub 200 ping, i feel for ya
check mine out

Pinging games.internode.on.net [203.26.94.189] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=1511ms
Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=2154ms
Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=1006ms
Reply from 203.26.94.189: bytes=32 time=1324ms

with 2 way sat connection

lol Vinc, what do you expect? You're using SATELLITE :)

Anyway, Telstra probably buggered up the routing again. They'll fix it.

Darkwolf.

Yeh as he said its probably a telstra routing problem all the major providers stuff up i remember when on ozforces i had 500+ ping for 2 weeks and I was with Optus Cable

wot do u guys ping GU servers at with Intrenode??
better then Sludgepond??

I'd expect your ADSL pings with Bigpond to be exactly the same as Internode's, after all, Telstra provides all the at-exchange hardware for Internode.

Darkwolf.

WE usually get heaps better pings that have been recently. Id suggest that something is wrong :P

My net hardly works. I get major spikes while playing cs anywhere. :S Stick to lan play ;P

yeha i get shits with online gaming too i might retire :P
play on LAN only
internet is shit
only good for browsing (thats what i call it anyway some might thing different) the forums :P

Pings were pretty shite tonight.... had 90-100 ping on Internode servers... it's usually 50-65. :(

p.s. Still pwned Milenko with scout :twisted: ( nice unscoped HS???? )

01:37am pings still shit. Must be the fact that usa about to bomb sadam. They must need our band width.....

:lol:

my mates got telstra ADSL, and his getting shitty pings with the GA servers, so i think its something with telstra.
its been like this since like thursday i think.

LOL.

[S]-Cougar, [TOB]Monkey and myself were raping the n0de servers last night.

response times were around 130ms on average. But it was still playable.
Internode usually gets 140+ pings on GU and Ozforces Servers, Internode,k normally is around 50 - 60 ms.

er y doesnt some 1 fix the gu1 server so we can play on it till my fingernails reach the floor

Try a [b]tracert -d <ip address> [/b] to various servers

This will give you some idea where the delays are ....[/b]

I have LANGUARD.
It does trace routes and shows hops. Much better util =)

[quote=TopGun]Try a [b]tracert -d <ip address> [/b] to various servers

This will give you some idea where the delays are ....[/b][/quote]

Doesn't help with Internode ADSL - your ADSL link gets routed down a VPN tunnel to Adelaide. So, you don't see any hops between your local exchange and the gateway at the other end of the line (in Adelaide).

For example:

[code:1:dfeb612e42]Tracing route to games.internode.on.net [203.26.94.189]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.0.254
2 106 ms 97 ms 96 ms 172.31.28.14
3 100 ms 100 ms 99 ms 172.31.23.142
4 99 ms 99 ms 103 ms 150.101.225.6
5 104 ms 100 ms 101 ms 203.16.212.22
6 102 ms 104 ms 102 ms 203.16.215.85
7 108 ms 104 ms 108 ms 203.26.94.189

Trace complete.[/code:1:dfeb612e42]

My home router is the first hop. No problems. The second hop (which jumps to 106ms all in one go) is one of Internode's routers down in Adelaide. The rest of the path is invisible from inside the VPN.

Darkwolf.

Quote from Milenko:
I have LANGUARD.
It does trace routes and shows hops. Much better util =)

Well arent you the clever little chappy

Not everyone has LANGUARD so I was suggesting a generic utility that everyone has

Do try to be helpful or try to be elsewhere .....

DarkWolf

When you say it all goes down a VPN tunnel what do you mean ?

Why is it invisible ? inside tunnel

Do you use a VPN client to connect to your ISP via ADSL service ?

VPN tunnels are set up between two end points - ie your PC and some other device like at your ISP - when established effectively you are directly connected to the "private" side of the VPN terminating device.

ADSL normally uses PPPoE and you connect to your ISP's DSLAM - I use Telstra and this is how they are set up

I can traceroute to anywhere and see the full path with all hops etc

Quote from TopGun:
DarkWolf

When you say it all goes down a VPN tunnel what do you mean ?

Why is it invisible ? inside tunnel

Do you use a VPN client to connect to your ISP via ADSL service ?

VPN tunnels are set up between two end points - ie your PC and some other device like at your ISP - when established effectively you are directly connected to the "private" side of the VPN terminating device.

ADSL normally uses PPPoE and you connect to your ISP's DSLAM - I use Telstra and this is how they are set up

I can traceroute to anywhere and see the full path with all hops etc

Yes, you're right about the VPN. However, Internode has a VPN set up with Telstra. They route traffic down the VPN tunnel to their main base in Adelaide. Because of this, if you're routing traffic through Internode, you can't see the VPN tunnel itself (you're not running the tunnel, Internode is). The end points are your exchange, and Internode's routers down in Adelaide.

A VPN connects what may be multiple pathways to one network into one, logical hop. All other hops that the tunnel uses can't be seen to traffic operating inside the tunnel.

Ok, an example:

Let's say we run a network - 192.168.0.0/24, and our router is 192.168.0.254. Let's say we want to establish a VPN tunnel to someone else's network - say it's 192.168.1.0/24.

Right, now let's say that, without the VPN tunnel, when we do a traceroute from our router to theirs (192.168.1.254), we get these responses: 192.168.0.254->172.16.203.3->172.17.203.1->192.168.1.254. Make sense? We go through four routers (ours, theirs, and two in the middle) to contact their network. Without the VPN.

Now, we establish a VPN tunnel from 192.168.0.0/24 to 192.168.1.0/24, connecting the two routers as endpoints. Now, the VPN tunnel "hides" that route as a single link. So if we do a traceroute now, from a host inside our network, we get these responses: 192.168.0.254->192.168.1.254. Our internal clients have no idea that they've gone through a VPN tunnel, and no idea of the two routers that are in reality sitting in the middle. The VPN hides all that stuff for you.

You only need to run a VPN client on YOUR machine if your machine is functioning as the router (ie, you dial up with a modem or something). Otherwise, the router runs the VPN client, and sets up the tunnels for you. It's really very cool :P

I can tell you more if you want to know - my company's network is all based on VPN's running through Cisco routers.

Darkwolf.

Yes

I see what you mean now ...

err I am a network engineer ... CCNP etc

Just like to clarify networky things ....

Yes we use Nortel Contivity Gateways and Clients plu have played with CISCO's version - IPSec tunnels etc

Quote from TopGun:
err I am a network engineer ... CCNP etc

Just like to clarify networky things ....

Yes we use Nortel Contivity Gateways and Clients plu have played with CISCO's version - IPSec tunnels etc

Hehe, didn't know that :) I'll cut the big examples next time :P

Annoys me how Cisco's earlier VPN routers only use DES encryption, and you have to pay extra to get 3DES for them. DES is pretty weak these days :( And FreeS/WAN (for Linux) uses 3DES by default - much stronger.

Darkwolf.

Quote from Darkwolf:
I can tell you more if you want to know - my company's network is all based on VPN's running through Cisco routers.Darkwolf.
I would like to know more, Can you PM me.
The Judge and I are looking VPN setups for our wireless.

tn1.Thanks

Quote from TopGun:
DarkWolf

When you say it all goes down a VPN tunnel what do you mean ?

Why is it invisible ? inside tunnel

Do you use a VPN client to connect to your ISP via ADSL service ?

VPN tunnels are set up between two end points - ie your PC and some other device like at your ISP - when established effectively you are directly connected to the "private" side of the VPN terminating device.

ADSL normally uses PPPoE and you connect to your ISP's DSLAM - I use Telstra and this is how they are set up

I can traceroute to anywhere and see the full path with all hops etc

Eh????? :?