New 50km speed limit, What's your view?

I was listening to the ABC radio station and heard that there will be a new speed limit for suburbs. I was getting really pissed of at some of the people rining up and congradulating for the new speed limit. And then people who didn't agree with it was complaining that they should teach people to drive better. I am soon to get my drivers permitt, my driving instructor tells me storys of dodgy driving teachers that hands out lisense like they mean nothing at all. And the goverment does nothing about it because in short terms they cbf. To get your drivers you have to do 2 theory lessons, first theory you have a pt 1 and 2. Second theory you have to learn about affects of drugs, first aid all that crap. Then you have 3 driving tests you have to pass in order to get your permitt.

Anyway as of next year all suburb streets, will have a speed limitt of 50km. I personaly think this is rediculas. I don't see how cutting the speed limit down will do anything but make us get to our destination slower.

I live on a T intersection in Millner, a popular spot for people to do burn outs and what not. The people who do these sorts of things and that continue to speed, aren't going to be affected by the 10km change. The poeple who do stick to the speed limit will continue to do so, the people who never did, never will until they mature. So why should us sensible people have to suffer? There is nothing wrong with the 60km speed limitt.

It is always commonese to look before you cross the road you get taught that in transition! And any younger child than that trying to cross a road on their own, the parents should be shot for not supervising their child.

I am very curious as to everyone elses views on the new speed limitt. I am also interested in what Lataf has to say, do you think it will help?

its getting a bit rediculus :P

but what ya gonne do..............

thats right have another bourbon :D

its not going to stop some people *cough duck cough* but i rekon over all its good kinda

its just going to make my speeding fines more expensive.

Have they put speed bumps everywhere in Darwin? In my neighbourhood in Brissy they have put a rediculous amount of them everywhere. There's one street i know of that has 3 bumps and 3 chicanes in a distance of a few hundred metres. The funny thing is that it doesnt stop everyone down - the ppl in 4 wheel drives just cruise over them as if they wernt there.

In a way it is more sensible. 10km/h does make quite a difference and it does help. Quite often in suburban streets, I'll use Leanyer as an example there are a lot of children who play on the streets. Quite often I see around this one particular bend along castlereigh children sit on the kerb side of the blind side of the bend.

Another particular one, coming back from Neo's place at one stage this kid just pelted out at full speed on their bicycle from a park exit at which stage I had only really got going and around 40-50kmh. Ended up swerving and being a 70degree angle from what I once was and stopped myself from clipping him off his bike. Yet I noticed he still didnt even realise the near accident and kept on pelting on his merry way.

Children get taught to look, but everyone forgets how easy children get distracted and focused on something.

Jay, unless i am mistaken that is a school zone which u should of been doing 40 any way.
My friend who lives on leanyer drive (the road right on the skool .. i think its called leanyer drive) she says that her mum has hit 2kids off their bikes as she backs out of her drive ways. Because kids love to race their bikes down the hill on the footpath. One of the comments from a kid was "Not again!"

So maybe they should spend more money into school safty and knock some common sense into the children. Or lower the speed limit around schools and extend the area of school zones.

i think it is stupid. it is NOT going to be able to be policed enough that it will make any impact in any major way. currently it is not the fact that people travel 60 in the 60 zones. it is those that exceed 60 by upwards of 20km/h. they were very picky about the words that they used when doing the report on Channel Nine... made me sick.

the best thing about it was Spongie on tv ;)

dont' agree with lowering the speed limit in school zones either.

imho, it's about teaching. even if you are going 50 instead of 60, that's less than half a seconds lapse on the drivers part and the kid is still dead/injured. the speed has never been the issue - imo, it's the Martin government's way of getting a few more votes... and losing a few more.. :(

Quote from w00p:
...knock some common sense into the children...

I thought thats what the cars were for...

Think theres too big of a problem with dickheads on the road. Admittedly I speed at times and maybe make a mistake once in a while.

There is no point lowering the speed because people will still break the limit. A lot of accidents that happen are often caused by speeding excessively. So they can lower the limit the only that will do is give the police more money from fines.

Personally I cant stand when you get stuck behind someone sitting 10-20k below the speed limit. If you don't feel safe driving and sticking to the limit then you shouldn't be driving.

There are cautious people fair enough! Then there are overly cautious people who if anything are more of a hazard because they panic and worry too much so will end up hitting something.

No big deal they're dropping it as long as the main roads remain the same. Whether someone is gonna crash does not depend so much on speed it also is reliant on the driver's reaction (study's prove gamers have faster reaction times :D) as well as the cars brakes, steering, gears, etc.

Good thing bout manuals is you can use gears to slow down.

We have had 50KPH limits in suburban streets for ages now, I don't have a problem with it, I just have a problem with people wanting to go faster and bitching when they get fined for breaking a law.

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am soon to get my drivers permitt, my driving instructor tells me storys of dodgy driving teachers that hands out lisense like they mean nothing at all.
Yeah down here, certain instructors at certain VicRoads places will do that. I beleive the going rate atm is something like $50 if your instructor is Asian and "00 if their Pakistani or Indian.

Pisses me off, because there are people out there that can't drive for shit, yet they have a licence. :evil:

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Jay, unless i am mistaken that is a school zone which u should of been doing 40 any way.

Not school zone. Drive the other way. Besides 5pm. Anyway sif neo would be home before then :P

Besides I wouldn't speed going the other way, Lataf lives too close :P

The biggest factor (appart from speed) that effects stopping distance in reaction time. If your doing 60km/h, and it takes you one second to react, your total stopping distance will be about 32meters. If you react just 0.2 seconds faster, you'll stop 3.3 Meters sooner!!

Anyway, doubling your speed quadruples your stopping distance.

Imagine what effect cutting your speed from 60km/h to 50km/h will having on stopping distance. Meh, I'll let you do the maths.

But that said, it doesn't matter what the speed limit is set to. Drivers will be drivers, children will be children and accidents will always happen. Now Sponge and Lataf just get more work, having to issue out more speeding fines (ala more money for the government).

Bet they can't beat the Vic government for revenue from speeding fines, Bracks is doing everything using revenue from speeding fines cos he can't budget for all the promises he's made. :roll:

Now all they gotta do is install cameras on trams to catch those who speed up and nearly run people over while they're getting off.

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Have they put speed bumps everywhere in Darwin? In my neighbourhood in Brissy they have put a rediculous amount of them everywhere. There's one street i know of that has 3 bumps and 3 chicanes in a distance of a few hundred metres. The funny thing is that it doesnt stop everyone down - the ppl in 4 wheel drives just cruise over them as if they wernt there.

seriously, this is just fucking ridiculous, go down the street (cant remember what its called), that links parap to dickward drive, its like a fucking rollercoaster. There's one situation at the moil - lee point road intersection where theyve striped out the bit at the end near the lights, so if you want to turn right and theres more than about 2 cars infront of you, youre fucked because you have to either stay in the middle lane and cut off whoevers behind you if you want to turn right, or drive straight over the white bit and risk getting fined if a cop comes... :x

btw I cant drive :wink:

Nightcliff one would have to be the worst. There's one speed bump I don't think you can ever consider a bump. At least they've chopped some out.

In terms of safety sure it'll be a little better, but with a restriction comes the temptation to break them.

People are going to be more tempted to speed. It will happen, 50km/h is pretty farking slow in terms of driving aroud. But being in suburbs only it woulndn't be too bad. And especially in some streets where you can't see around the corners.

60km/hr isn't bad I think there are worse things they can fix other than reducing the speed limit. But in general if both pedestrians and drivers are aware of their surroundings and are alert than there shouldn't be many problems.

The worlds not a perfectly safe place and there will always be accidents, deaths, etc. A reduce from 50 to 60 km/hr seems a little pointless, but it would help.

I don't like it but no one can change what the government says.

Quote from StaticRevenger:
[quote:caf48e03aa="uber tard"]Have they put speed bumps everywhere in Darwin? In my neighbourhood in Brissy they have put a rediculous amount of them everywhere. There's one street i know of that has 3 bumps and 3 chicanes in a distance of a few hundred metres. The funny thing is that it doesnt stop everyone down - the ppl in 4 wheel drives just cruise over them as if they wernt there.

seriously, this is just fucking ridiculous, go down the street (cant remember what its called), that links parap to dickward drive, its like a fucking rollercoaster. There's one situation at the moil - lee point road intersection where theyve striped out the bit at the end near the lights, so if you want to turn right and theres more than about 2 cars infront of you, youre fucked because you have to either stay in the middle lane and cut off whoevers behind you if you want to turn right, or drive straight over the white bit and risk getting fined if a cop comes... :x

btw I cant drive :wink:[/quote:caf48e03aa]

you know you can drive over painted traffic islands..

Quote from SOLOman1:
[quote:c5365744a8="StaticRevenger"][quote:c5365744a8="uber tard"]Have they put speed bumps everywhere in Darwin? In my neighbourhood in Brissy they have put a rediculous amount of them everywhere. There's one street i know of that has 3 bumps and 3 chicanes in a distance of a few hundred metres. The funny thing is that it doesnt stop everyone down - the ppl in 4 wheel drives just cruise over them as if they wernt there.

seriously, this is just fucking ridiculous, go down the street (cant remember what its called), that links parap to dickward drive, its like a fucking rollercoaster. There's one situation at the moil - lee point road intersection where theyve striped out the bit at the end near the lights, so if you want to turn right and theres more than about 2 cars infront of you, youre fucked because you have to either stay in the middle lane and cut off whoevers behind you if you want to turn right, or drive straight over the white bit and risk getting fined if a cop comes... :x

btw I cant drive :wink:[/quote:c5365744a8]

you know you can drive over painted traffic islands..[/quote:c5365744a8]

you can also drive over nature strips :P

Quote from SOLOman1:
you know you can drive over painted traffic islands..

You do know it is ILLEGAL :P Painted traffic island and a concrete one is no different :P

But of course we all do it :shock:

well its not a big change... i mean 40 is slow.. but so is 50 so is good and bad.. i do speed i admit.. but only if im in a rush.. but there 2 things i never do.. 1 is speed in a school zone.. i go 35-40.. just my little rule...

but one thing they shouldent do is change the open speed limits... cause the only people who have accidents out scrub is drunk people, people who cant drive and hoons.. if you know how to handle a car you can drive 160 easy.. i think we should have a special driving school up here just to teach people to drive propally.. defensive driving... dont the police get that kinda training?

Quote from Jono:
[quote:5e94cdd542="SOLOman1"]you know you can drive over painted traffic islands..

You do know it is ILLEGAL :P Painted traffic island and a concrete one is no different :P

But of course we all do it :shock:[/quote:5e94cdd542]

no im seriours.. if there just white paint ones you can drive over them..
where spounge when you ned him.. im like 99% sure

Quote from Flammable:
you can also drive over nature strips :P

that was only once and you made me do it...

They have the defence driving up here yes, In fact if you can wait a few days I actually have a riend whos getting the details for me, I want it both for the experiece and the cheaper insurance (hopefully TIO will allow it but im not holding my breathe).

Quote from Jono:
They have the defence driving up here yes, In fact if you can wait a few days I actually have a riend whos getting the details for me, I want it both for the experiece and the cheaper insurance (hopefully TIO will allow it but im not holding my breathe).

you sure i thought it shut down... give me details as well please..

THey've had a 50km/h speed limit in Sydney suburban streets for over a year now. However there's no one to enforce any restrictions on these small streets so hoons still hoon down them at 90 while more lawful people hardly realise there's been a change in the limit.

In NZ it's been a 50km/h limit for as long as I can remember. It takes a wee while to get used to as both ped. and driver, but I can't really say it works - as New Zealand can't drive for shit. :)

Ok does anyone remember the driving test they did on channel 9??

they had some stat that the difference between driving 50 and 60( ..maybe 70/60) was that when the slower car had stopped moving, the faster one would be doing 36 kilometres an hour still

anyway was a serious bs story as far as physics says :P

did anyone else see lataf on the news?? was that lataf?? :|

What is it...

At 80km/hr look away for 1 second and you've moved 22?m

Don't realise it while driving too much but damn anything can happen in that 22m.

they have had the 50km speed limit in the suburbs here in adelaide since march (i think) it didn't change anything, most people still go at 60 (or faster :?).

Quote from Jono:
[quote:7fb9b68daf="SOLOman1"]you know you can drive over painted traffic islands..

You do know it is ILLEGAL :P Painted traffic island and a concrete one is no different :P

But of course we all do it :shock:[/quote:7fb9b68daf]

Good thing is, in my car, concrete ones go under the same as the painted ones.. :shock: *looks for lataf* I mean, it's illegal!

it was LATAF on the news i believe. :P

it is illegal to drive over the painted ones. unless it is an emergency - in which case you can STOP in the painted zones. then, you are allowed to move off the painted zones. one of those weird laws... :|

jono, i'll see if i can find out about the insurance stuff ;)

Yeh painted zones are a no no to drive on, yet i see people doing it all the time :(

In my opinion, they need to evaluate individual streets.
Thats hard to do i know, but think about it.

There are urban streets that you could easily travel at 70 - 80kph on, quite comfortably. Wheres my street, u should be doing 50kph, because its quite narrow and theres always wankers who park adjecent to each other, giving u about 3 meters to squeeze ur car thru.

overall though, yeh, i reckon 50kph is too slow.
I mean shit, i do 40kph through most corners.

Quote from Seqo:
it was sponge on the news i believe.

I thought i saw Lataf on the TV last night .... grr hes looking good in TV :shock:

same here Milenko, that would be the best option. but it would be too much work for the government to do considering they laid off so many people and then spent all their money on changing the letterheads for government departments :evil:

i go to Stuart Park and there are some streets where it is impossible to do over 40 in case you might hit a parked car or a kid on their bike.

instead of changing the speed limits, another option would have been to make it so that street corners are visible to see around.

once corner which i take about everyday is on Grevillea Cct in Nightcliff. the peoplethat own the house have this mega-super-overgrown bushland in their yard.. which goes right to the edge of the curb. it is impossible to see around and thus, extremely dangerous. it makes it a little worse when people decide that parking ON that corner (... :evil: ...) is the best place to be...

this kind of thing is everywhere, changing the speed limit isn't going to stop something like this. if someone were to travel around the corner at even 40, and a kid was standing there. They wouldn't get out of it.

I live on that circuit Seqo..sometimes I take the corner a little fast :P

50km sounds a bit overboard but then when did they change the speed limit on vanderlin to be 60 further down. I always thought it was past the roundabout now its almost starting at leanyer lake.

The stupid thing is they need to look at where most accidents are in a probability and then fix that. For instance changing the limit around the city to sixty rather then 70 as there always seems to be accidents out there.

And destroy white vans because they are evil. I've almost been killed by five different white vans in five different situations at five different times.

This and this should give my opinion...

they are large images.

he has an incredible argument there

Quote from SperO:
I live on that circuit Seqo..sometimes I take the corner a little fast :P

50km sounds a bit overboard but then when did they change the speed limit on vanderlin to be 60 further down. I always thought it was past the roundabout now its almost starting at leanyer lake.

The stupid thing is they need to look at where most accidents are in a probability and then fix that. For instance changing the limit around the city to sixty rather then 70 as there always seems to be accidents out there.

And destroy white vans because they are evil. I've almost been killed by five different white vans in five different situations at five different times.

bullbars are evil... and so are 4weeldrives... they think they own the road...

he has an incredible argument there
i kniw a girl that got hit by a car, 3rd vertabrea in her neck broke and she now has to wear a brace for at least 3 months, drivers fault, he was speeding

I'm not really too fussed what thespeed limit is, I go at whatever speed I feel safest, and always keep an eye open for cops.

My mate let me ride his yzf1000 last night, only takes a few seconds to get up to 200kph on mcmillans road ;)

Quote from ZeReaper:
I'm not really too fussed what thespeed limit is, I go at whatever speed I feel safest, and always keep an eye open for cops.

My mate let me ride his yzf1000 last night, only takes a few seconds to get up to 200kph on mcmillans road ;)
Great, so if someone has a big bug splat on their windscreen, they'll know its you? :roll:

Quote from Sa' Martok:
[quote:deec548343="ZeReaper"]I'm not really too fussed what thespeed limit is, I go at whatever speed I feel safest, and always keep an eye open for cops.

My mate let me ride his yzf1000 last night, only takes a few seconds to get up to 200kph on mcmillans road ;)
Great, so if someone has a big bug splat on their windscreen, they'll know its you? :roll:[/quote:deec548343]

Haven't you heard? He's being working out. It'll be more of a solid thump.

some streets i can handle having at 50, however some i'd like at 60 still, such as mathews road, union terrace, roads like that.

it won't make any differnece to my street, i live on a court and basicaly all people who live or visit it speed, even my polotiion nighbour.

the other thing is most people going around school zones will be thinking stuff it, i'm doing 50 that's close enough to 40 and will keep speeding

as for me, yeah i'll admit i speed quite often, but 99% of the time it is on major roads like mcmillians, bagot, the highway, tiger brenan, wishart road etc. but i won't speed in school zones.

as i read in the paper the other month from a letter to the editor, the accidents that happen on those roads happen cos of stupid people making stupid mistakes, not the speed, more often than not they don't get over 60km an hour in "rush hour" and thats when the accidents are

I was driving the other weekend on my L's and some people are just so freaking rude! They see a L plater in front of them and they overtake you, i always do the speed limit (when i am with my intructor :P ) i don't go any faster or slower but it doesn't seem to matter its the fact you have that big yellow L on ur car.

So i was driving along Old Mc'Millians road (the one that is along bagot oval thru Millner). A lady came up behide me with her children in the back must of been picking them up from soccer or something. Any how there is a really sharp bend that you have to be careful of and take it with care. As we came up to that corner the stupid women decides to over take me.. and a car comes in the other direction of corse she couldn't see it till it was 2 late and both the cars had to slam on the breaks. I couldn't help but think that it serves the lady right, but whats worse she had her kids in the back.. if one of the cars had not been paying attention could of been a serious acciedent.

I think there are some really shocking and intolorent people on the road.

Quote from ^Dragon Fury^:
polotiion nighbour

Huh??

i think he ment polition

Politician :D

Being on my L's sucked - people were very inconsiderate, beeping their horns if you were going too slow, were taking too long to take off from the lights (I drive an old yellow Holden Jackaroo which is pretty slow), as well as overtaking you, even if you were already doing the speed limit, trying to squeeze through tiny gaps when lanes were joining etc. I thought that although I was the one with the L's plates on, I was probably still the safest driver because I was the only one not doing stupid things. :)

I think people should have the common sense to assess the right speed for a road and travel at it - if its raining, slow down, if its dark, slow down - use your common sense. Just the other night, I was driving home from a friends place at about midnight, it was pretty dark, so I thought I should slow down, so I did and the next minute I nearly hit this huge black dog sitting stupidly in the middle of the road. If I hadn't been going slow (about 40kmh) I would have hit the dog and totalled the front of my car. As it was I left huge black skid marks down the centre of the road.

Speed bumps also piss me off - they put them in 40 zones and you are doing 40, then you have to slow down for them, and speed back up, wasting all that petrol which damages the environment :evil:.

So slow down and stay safe on our roads :D

Have never looked at this topic til now. So I have a big say on everything.

ZeReaper, thankyou. You have kept me sane. I thought I was the only one here who drove as I will. I have quite a few flaws though, but I still speed. Most people do anyway. I was merging onto a 80 zone the other day. I was doing 100, and everyone was going faster then me :shock:

My car is lowered, and has a NUDGEbar (diff from bullbar) on the front, so I have to slow down dramatically for speed bumps and other things (come out of drive ways on angles)

I live 2 hours north of Sydney, and up here, streets are all 50. There is even a main town (Belmont) which has been reduced to 50. Wanna know why? Cos of pedestrians. Yep, they just run across the road whenever it suits them. Old people are the worst in fact, they take forever and I've seen people not even look. They just reckon cars will stop for them :x

Hmm... also, there's only 1 test. We have just a driving test we have to pass. That's it. Then we are handed our P's. Or w00p, did you mean to get your full license (as in L's theory test, P's prac, green P's prac, etc). The test is ok I spose. It teaches you reverse parking etc. But I have never reversed park yet. If I need to, I improvise (park elsewhere...).

In Belmont, most people do slow down to 50. Which is good I spose, I don't mind really. It helps though if everyone does the same speed. It's VERY hard (For a 17 year old, got his license months back) to be doing 60, when everyone else does 70. It sucks :( they need better role models out there. If I see a good driver (as in looks good... and I don't mean I'd go out with, I'm talking about 30 year old business people) driving a pretty good car (economical, nice looking etc) I will follow their pace more than anything. Another good thing is going from 80 to 60, which I do, and most other people don't. And the car behinds you follows your lead.

I find, that on the road, it's all about a leader. If you do the speed limit, people will follow suit. There are of course people who won't. But atleast 50% of the times people will, which is better then letting everyone do 10km over the speed limit. I am hardly ever in a rush, and so don't need to speed at all. If everyone else would not speed, I wouldn't either.

Quote from Amphibious One:

Hmm... also, there's only 1 test. We have just a driving test we have to pass. That's it. Then we are handed our P's. Or w00p, did you mean to get your full license (as in L's theory test, P's prac, green P's prac, etc). The test is ok I spose. It teaches you reverse parking etc. But I have never reversed park yet. If I need to, I improvise (park elsewhere...).

From the start...
You have to be 16 to get your L's. Most students do it thru skool because its cheap. You listen to a instructor ramble on abt road safty for about 4hrs over 2days. You have a written test (piss easy). You pass.. and you have your L's.
To Get you P's...
(if doing it thru skool) You get given 12 free lessons. You use generally 1 a week but can do more. Half way thru you go and do a second theory about drugs and first aid and crap :P . Then on your like 8th lesson you do a PR1 you pass you continue, lesson 11 PR2 you pass then you do a final check drive and you have your P's. You stay on your P's for 1 year then you are on your opens.
This aint what every1 does.. generally takes more lessons, but yeah thats what i ment.

the worst example of speeding was when i was driving down tiger brenan drive at 2 in the morning on my way into the city (can't remember what for) doing 140kph, the section behind winellie so it's safe to travel that fast at the time and this dude in a ute desides that i was going tooooooooo slow and overtakes me. what surprised me was that before i had even gotten over the first hill he was going over the second. must of been doing like 200kph... very unsafe

amph. (just expanding on w00p's) do a test, get your P's. 12 months on your P's then you are on your opens. however, we also do DTAL. Driver Training and Licensing. 22 competencies which must be passed. These include everything from knowing where the controls are to overtaking. You then do 2 Tests and a Final test in order to get your P's.

This is how i did it, 11 lessons including the 3 tests (which take a lesson to complete).

in the paper they are now asking for people to 'dob in' speeding drivers... like WTF!?
Quote from some stupid old inconsiderate bitch with no brains and a fear of driving and other drivers:

oooh, you overtook me and I think you were being dangerous even though i was going 20kph under the speed limit - that's it dobbed in.

stupidest thing i've ever heard of. and it won't work. this just shows how some politicians are NOT in touch with the world around them... :( obviously Mr Vatskalis doesn't drive... or can't drive.

he also gave a description of the roads that would come into the category of the 50k zones... approx 8m wide, carrying mostly local traffic, in residential built-up areas.

that would describe pretty much every street in Darwin... yet i can automatically think of about 5 that fit into that category yet, could easily be changed UP to 70, let alone going down to 50.

Quote from Seqo:
stupidest thing i've ever heard of. and it won't work. this just shows how some politicians are NOT in touch with the world around them... :( obviously Mr Vatskalis doesn't drive... or can't drive.

he can drive.. as long as the chaueffer comes with the car.

In a perfect way people should go and get licenses the way vorly and I did. We also got a nice little VET Cert. About 2 and half months of training - minimum of 2 lessons a week. During the whole time, 2 hours in the car workshop figuring out how the basics of the car works, what happens if this screws up and how it'll make you dead. 2 Late night lessons - urban driving, and highway driving.

Instructor driving you to insantity and simply won't let you get your license until you can drive confidently on the road in all situations (none your pansy do this park). Of course it cost me a fair deal more than usual but it has made me the better driver, there's so many things you pick up from an instructor for that length of time from their experience rather than someone learn the hard way. Most people rush their L's then straight to P's in like 2 weeks. They crash over the next year or some sort of accident. Vorly & Jay accident count: 0 Friends that crashed in first year: 7( 1 dead :( )

Anyway stupid roads all need diff classifications. VRD I know would be easy enough to drive 70 IF all the trees around corners were butchered. Too many black spots on that street alone. Urban streets like the stupid small twisty streets of Darwin should die a 40Kmh death truly.

Also there should 2 main roads going everywhere. 1 for hoons and completely no laws hence Sponge and Lataf don't even have to bring their shovels anywhere near those roads to maintain them. The crashes can stay there. The other for sensible people -full help support etc. :P Natural selection should take care of it from there.

I wouldn't of mind doing a corse like that, but yeah there is always the cost involved. It also looks like in that corse they teach you how to change a tire, or basic repairs if you break down. I think that is something they should add to the DTAL program.... But i guess that is why i have 2 older brothers :P
I love driving its fun but i wouldn't be an idiot on the road though.
I am going for my PR2 this morning :D If i pass then i just have to do my final check drive.. In total it would have taken 14 lessons. So happy to end up getting my drivers :D

:shock: i had 2 lessons when i got my P's

But your old so u don't count :P

i got my L's and P's through DTAL, before they changed it.

I got my licence at 15 - had been driving illegally since I was 14 .....

Read the book ... drove around the block with a copper and bingo licenced driver ...

Mind you same copper stopped me 2 days after test for doing 32 mph in a 30 mph zone .... he scared the crap out of me and made me aware of the dangers of speeding ....

Now some 30 years of driving ( both cars and bikes - plus racing both ) I have come to the conclusion some people should not ever ever get a licence let alone be let loose on the roads - both young and old, black, white or any other race creed or religion ....

passed my PR2... one more lesson and woop will be on the road :D

really?

For Sale: 1994 Suzuki Sierra.... hehe

i dont wanna be on the road if you are.

not sure whats going on in Darwin but most suburban streets in Sydney have been 50km for awhile

Quote from Cr@zY L|aMa:
its not going to stop some people *cough duck cough*

atleast I have my license Excusey McExcuseMaker
go study some English rather than posting here all the time :P

50 km/h is to be enforced very soon. Match that with the new laser speed detection devices and new radars and if you speed you will be caught.

You can drive over a painted island if you are entering or exiting a driveway/ business.

I am trying to build up my TV/ media time to get a break in the next Russell Crowe movie to be filmed in Darwin. 8)

:wink:

50kph won't come into play until March 2004 according to the politicians...

Quote from Lataf:
50 km/h is to be enforced very soon.

how soon is very soon?

and is it all 60km/h streets..

if they do coonawarra rd, i'm gonna do something really bad to someone!