Same sex marriages?

Thoughts on this guys?

Good / Bad?
Looks like they will be banned full stop under GW's new term.

What do you all actually think?

i think they should be allowed

Well, in my opinion, people have a right to chose who their partners are.
I dont have anything against homosexuals at all, as long as they dont try any funny business on me :P

The whole concept of single sex marriages being 'banned', is due mostly in-part to religion, as marriage is deemed as holy matrimony between a man and a woman. I can see no legal reasons as to why it should be stopped.

If anything, they can just refer to it as a 'union', as opposed to a 'marriage'.

Im pro-choice :)

I got no prob with it, if that's what they like then go for it.

Dunno about the political side of this, although i'm sure there's some BS story for it. I don't think it will be banned, they will cop too much crap for it.. But that's just my opinion.

America is ruled by born-again christian right-wingers - they'll ban it.

Should it be? No, pro-choice.

don't understand it, don't really want to know about it, but certainly dont want to deny them the right to do what they feel is best for them. its not the governments job to be the moral shepherds for consenting adults who's actions have no effect on anyone but themselves.

I think they should be allowed to....love is love regardless of whether the person is the same sex or not. I think it is totally wrong to deny a couple the right to commit to one another in such a way purely because they both happen to be the same gender.

Yeah I agree with Milenko here...
I actually DON'T like the idea of it being called a marraige....call it a union or a ceremony or make up a new name for it, but marriage I feel is between a man and woman and is traditional.

But the other half of me says " Well they aren't hurting you so why do you care?"
And I cant really answer it well, the best I can come up with is that as a heterosexual white male we dont have many things too call our own and this is one of them.

I dont feel 'right' thinking this way but I do feel it...am I wrong?

IF they like the back door thats there problem im all for gay marriages :)

Yet another fantastic response from Korny........:(

There was talk about it on the news today in regards to same sex marriages in the us

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000100&sid=attELWnYabM4&refer=germany

I personally dont have any drama's with them. Let them go for it.....but as coco/milenko said it should be renamed/announced as a union/bond.

I don't have a problem with it, and I don't understand why some people have problems with it. If a gay couple want to get married than it's their own choice. I don't understand how non-gay people can have an opinion to say 'no it's not right' it doesn't affect them in the slightest. It's not exactly any of their concern.

However I disagree gay couples to having children, for the pure fact children have a right to a father and a mother. While gay couples can provide the love and care the child needs, there is way more to it, there are issues children just can't learn or socially develop with same gender parents. I can understand the enthusiasm for gay-couples to have children, but I think they should stop being selfish and think of the childs well being.

Which brings me to another issues, my personal view to get married is if you plan of having children. To me marriage is for people who want a commitment to each other and their child. If arguments breaks out within the marriage they are more inclined to fix it for the sake of their child and it's not as easy just to walk out.

So in short no problems with gay marriages, just problems with gay couples having children.

o yes it takes a male and a female to make a children, so therefor it takes a lady and a man to raise a child

saw in the paper today that Elton John wants to marry his boyfriend.

i dun reckon it should be allowed. NOT because it's evil and wrong, but because marriage atm isn't viewed scared or whatever. People are willing to marry and divorce willy-nilly.

need to change the benifits that come with marriage (in the law) first before extending the field more

hrm, essentially marraige is only a ceremony, so what difference does it make, not much..

except what people are bitching about is legal marraige, which gives tax incentives, and the like, which is all completely within the control of government. They can go and have a little ceremony off in the scrub and say they're married. The issue they have is that they don't get tax incentives :P

And its not wholly unreasonable considering that the purpose of giving tax breaks to married couples is to create families. So then you're left with the question of whether or not they should be allowed to adopt or have surrogate children. Personally I think that's just a way to circumvent the genetic dead end that is their way of life.

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I think rec is spot on, i agree with him :D They Have to be HOT !!! :D

I have another idea. Make up something new, similar to a civil union or whatever they call it but just have all the benefits of a married couple. Then the gay couples get to make their commitments in the name of love and the religious people get to keep their 'sanctity of marriage'.

w00p, what if say a lesbian couple gets a male friend to be a kind of god father, so the child gets brought up by 3 people, male and female?

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w00p, what if say a lesbian couple gets a male friend to be a kind of god father, so the child gets brought up by 3 people, male and female?

I think that would be something similar to having divorce parents. I believe adequate time with the child would not be sufficient. There are also things like the way the mother and father interact with each other which all has affects on the child. The child would possibly be spoilt and over protected, which also has a negative long term affect. I am only saying this from assumption and knowledge; it really does depend largely on the attitude or the parents.

However if the couple can understand and take into account the major factors like the social traumatizing the child may face by peers, and the sorts of things the child just would never have the opportunity to engage in, they would hopefuly decide against it.

i have no problem at all with homosexuals.

neither do i have a problem with same sex marriages, whether it be called a "mariage" or not.

i do have a problem however (to an extent) with same sex couples adopting young children or female couples having IVF to give birth. same sex parents could do a greater job than a lot of other "normal" families, but the possible adversary affects to a child are too risky and dangerous...

but, GW WILL be banning gay marriages, he was pretty sure on that in his last term. and his boyfriend john howard will most likely follow suit...i mean, the church isn't going to allow it are they, and after johnny boy, they probably hold the most influence in our lovely country.

yeh but tn1 and rec those hot chicks wont want yous :P

they will be interested in each other :P

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yeh but tn1 and rec those hot chicks wont want yous :P

they will be interested in each other :P

umm.. thats the point you idiot..

The US public got to vote on whether same sex marriages should be allowed... they said no.

Personally, whilst I don't agree it is the correct lifestyle choice... it's their lives. I agree with Cow on having children... mentally, how will having a homosexual couple as parents affect a child? It's pretty risky.

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mar·riage Audio pronunciation of "marriage" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mrj)
n.

1.
1. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
2. The state of being married; wedlock.
3. A common-law marriage.
4. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
2. A wedding.
3. A close union: “the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics” (Lloyd Rose).
4. Games. The combination of the king and queen of the same suit, as in pinochle.

as found on www.dictionary.com

there we have it......Im not all for it but the definatio clearly states GO FOR IT

BUT I completly agree about the whole adoption thing...
That pore kid will be the easiest target in the neighbour hood...
And then he will grow up and sue his dads/mums for mental thingy...

(having a mental block. aparently am 2 screws short)

Quote from Wrathlon:
love is love regardless of whether the person is the same sex or not. I think it is totally wrong to deny a couple the right to commit to one another in such a way

So then could 16 year olds and 50 year olds marry? What IS the legal age of marriage? I am fine with it, because it doesn't affect me. I think a union or something similar would be a more appropriate name - as people have said; keep marriage to heterosexualism.

OK, where a relationship between a 16yo and a 50yo came into it I dont know.....I'm simply stating sex. There are still the exact same morals, etc when it comes to age. For the record, the legal age for marriage is 18 unless both parents agree to it and sign for it, in that case it can be as low as 16.....as far as I am aware anyway.

The child area I'm still undecided on as I think both views have good and bad points and I havent thought about it long enough to decide where I stand on that issue as it's such a grey area. Ultimately the relationship is fine, and marriage is fine between same sex couplkes as far as I'm concerned.

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umm.. thats the point you idiot..

I thought they where hoping the chicks would invite them into the bedroom :P

*Drooolz lesbian love*

sorry couldn't resist

In the US, marriage is a state matter. In several states it has been subsequently banned by referendum. I don't think George Bush will actually ban it - too much hassle - he'll just occasionally promise to do it to stir up right wing fundies.

Quote from "Coco":
as a heterosexual white male we dont have many things too call our own and this is one of them.

Later on in life, you'll discover that "sex with women" is what we have over the homosexuals.

Basically, Harb hit the nail on the head. It's not about love or unions or whathaveyou. It's about buxx0r$.

But everything's about buxx0r$ to you El Pres :P

Actually, at least a third is about sex.

I beleive that same sex marrages should be legal, because if 2 people of the same sex love each other, doesn't matter if they're married or not, they're still gonna pound each others ass's, am I right?

not if its 2 girls

Strap on?

Or just munch on each others kababs till they die?

Same shit :P

What about the legal aspects and welfare / social security payments etc ?

Adoption of children etc ?

There a whole more to this than just a ceromony/marriage etc

why should it be any different? one will just have to legaly take the role of the opposite sex in all the papers, eg. on partner is the "wife" and all official things are delt with normally.

or all the books can be rewritten. but i dont think its that much of a big deal. i dont think they will make it legal because its been frowned apon for so long.

but there is not much wrong with it.

the children thing i can understand...thats a grey area.

Not saying anything wrong with it just need to consider the wider ramifications

...So in short, it looks like a majority of GU support you Coco....when are u proposing bud? :P

jokes :P

coco, will you marry me?

There is really no legitimate reason to deny mature individuals the right to marry whomever they wish. Their life, their consequences.

With respect to the raising of children, it is definitely uncharted turf. It may be safe to raise children in such an environment, it may not be. Some children may come out better (more open-minded), others may come out worse. Will depend as much if not more so on the individuals as on the marriage itself (eg. some gay couples may try to imprint their sexuality on the child, others will let the child be - some straight parents can be guilty of this too). It's a complex issue.

It's looking more and more like sexual preference is predetermined - a mixture of genetic predisposition and the mother's hormone level during gestation in the womb.

Which makes it hard to put homosexuality as a sin, because sin presupposes free will.

Meh, whatever makes you happy.

In general terms, homosexuality can be described as the capacity to find affection and or sexual satisfaction with someone of the same gender. This question, one of morality and of legality, has become an issue in recent years but I think these people are sick individuals who cannot find anything else to satisfy their sexual urges. It’s abnormal behavior; no child should be raised in this type of relationship. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve ;) . Next thing you know people will want to marry animals, especially sheep.

FTW

Die in a fire.

See i disagree, there has been homosexuality since the beginning of time, and its not just limited to the human race either.
I wouldnt class it as abnormal...if anything, its just as normal as heterosexuality.

The difference between marrying someone of the same sex and marrying an animal is that the animal can't consent. That and the possibility of contracting some wierd new mutated disease :P

So let that be a lesson.
Nobody is to marry ruin.

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In general terms, homosexuality can be described as the capacity to find affection and or sexual satisfaction with someone of the same gender. This question, one of morality and of legality, has become an issue in recent years but I think these people are sick individuals who cannot find anything else to satisfy their sexual urges. It’s abnormal behavior; no child should be raised in this type of relationship. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve ;) . Next thing you know people will want to marry animals, especially sheep.

FTW

That sounds like a nice cut and paste :D

BTW I will marry Ruin :)

:o

w007! I'm loved :P

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In general terms, homosexuality can be described as the capacity to find affection and or sexual satisfaction with someone of the same gender. This question, one of morality and of legality, has become an issue in recent years but I think these people are sick individuals who cannot find anything else to satisfy their sexual urges.

Do their actions harm you? No.

So let them be, what goes on between them is their own goddamn business.

The topic was asking for peoples opinions, I gave you mine. I think it harms the entire human race, their families, everything, especially if they are planning to adopt children (your obviously a poof mate). If it was legal id drag you into the street and... What is homosexuality good for? What can you get from a bloke that you cant from a chick?. Go blow yourself. They keep deleting this so i cant write what i would like to, but you get the idea.

Put your opinion across just do it without using lots of crappy words.

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What can you get from a bloke that you cant from a chick?.

An erect penis.

Imagine a world where heterosexuality wasnt the norm.
Would you hide or change the person you are, to conform? Or would you do what makes you happy?

A little something to ponder.

Sounds like you have a major problem with homosexuality Assassin, I feel very sorry for you.

Tell me would you have a 3sum with two chicks and yourself? You would have to be gay to refuse that offer. But that’s a form of homosexuality, two chicks getting it on. If it wasn't for homosexuality that sort of thing would be a BIG no no.

I think we are focusing on sexual desire just that little bit too much. Your forgetting the unique personalities that each and every individuals hold.

And its people like you mate that cause a lot of gay people large amounts of stress and worry. What the hell has it got to do with you, I got a gay mate...yes thats right I have a friend whos gay <Insert shock horror here> and it doesnt make him any less of a person....in fact, no one even cares. But I can guarantee he would like to just be left alone to do what he wants without worrying about being bashed, etc.

How about we all start a thing where we bash people that bash gays.....I mean why not, using your logic we dont need to have a reason that affects us in any way....so why dont we do that??? Whats that??? Not the same??? Different story when you're the picked on minority. Milenko has a point, what if homosexuality was the norm....would you become gay just to fit in and not be bashed...how would you like it to live every day scared someone is going to beat you or that all your friends are going to turn against you if they found out??? Yeah...that's what I thought.

Yeah....this thread asked for your opinion, but you cant expect to have such a bigoted and close minded opinion and expect people NOT to have a go at you. As for calling Aravi a poof because he doesnt share your view, for one mate..what are you 2??? Grow up....secondly I'm willing to bet you dont even know Aravi.

I highly reccommend you go educate yourself a bit more and do some pretty fast growing up.

Edit: And as w00p said...I bet you have no problem with 2 chicks.
Edit2: w00p...does that make me gay....:p

There's enough ****ed up heterosexual households that kids have been and will continue to be raised in, I don't see why a homosexual household would be any worse. It depends on the people not thier sexuality. You sound like an absolute retard. I, like most others here, feel sorry for you because you will never experience or understand anything outside of your own closed, ****ed-up little head.

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The topic was asking for peoples opinions, I gave you mine.

You certainly gave us your opinion. However, it's defective: you can have it back.

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I think it harms the entire human race, their families, everything, especially if they are planning to adopt children (your obviously a poof mate).

I seriously struggle to formulate any scenario where gay marriage sounds the final bellring for the human race. I mean they'll hardly try to breed us girlrooters out of the mix, will they?

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If it was legal id drag you into the street and...

And what? Prove you're a fool? Dance the cha-cha? Tell knock-knock jokes?

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What is homosexuality good for? What can you get from a bloke that you cant from a chick?

I don't really care. Some people seem to think that taking it up the bum is hella fun. Personally I find the concept nauseating, but it's really none of my business. So long as I don't have to be involved, I don't care what the poofters get up to.

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Go blow yourself. They keep deleting this so i cant write what i would like to, but you get the idea.

Write away. Like a poorly engineered building, inane arguments deserve to be aired in public. As the stupidity mounts up, the whole trembling heap of crap eventually collapses on itself.

Incidentally, research shows that men expressing an aggressive strain of homophobia, such as yourself, are far more likely to be aroused by gay porn than regular heteros. Enjoie.

Assassin, ok, i can appreciate your rights to an opinion, even if it isnt the same as my own. If i may ask please, If a close relative or mate came out, do you think its likely your opinion would change?

Haha, El pres, i usually get a sore brain reading your posts, but god-damn, that one made me laugh ;)

edit -> i mean that in a good way though :P

So now we all bash homophobics ?

If homosexuality was the norm it would only be for a short time like one generation and in fact it would never have off the ground ... think about it.

I have had gay friends both male and female - female can be a bit weird but the gay guys are great fun ... give you good fashion tips and ya get the inside running on all the chicks as girls do not seem to be threatened by gay guys and tend to open up more ... plus one was a great cook !!

That wasnt my point topgun, i was asking him to put himself in their shoes ;)

soz for stealing your thunder Milly

You are forgiven, my AK toting friend.

forgiven...not forgoten...*breaks out into a love song*

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forgiven...not forgoten...*breaks out into a love song* arrhhh the corrs

Quote from assassin_05:
The topic was asking for peoples opinions, I gave you mine.

Note that freedom of speech is also applicable to criticisms of another's opinion. This creates something called 'public debate'.

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I think it harms the entire human race, their families, everything, especially if they are planning to adopt children (your obviously a poof mate).

Heh, I'd like to hear how it harms the human race as I do not agree with you here. And please, calling someone gay just because they disagree with you is a tired insult that never was any good anyway. For the record, I'm heterosexual.

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forgiven...not forgoten...*breaks out into a love song*

ahhh feel the love ....

I think Gay Marriages should be allowed... I mean if its just religiously wrong then go tell that to the homosexual priest that there was huge controversy about... It seems a bit hypocritical to shun gay marriages but have a homosexual priest preaching...

A lot of the world is democratic and all for human rights and equal opportunity... This seems contradictory to all that.

update for people who don't read the first three pages: marriage isn't about religion and love and bollocks. It's about money.

As for damaging the human race, you can't categorically say that they DON'T because indirectly look at the effect that actively gay people have had upon society. Especially with the aggressive way that they've rammed their "culture" down everyone's throats (such a bad image). Add to that the assorted effects caused by the demands for equal rights that every minority inevitably comes up with, which are usually more accurately described as positive discrimination rather than truely equal rights.

Then you can take into account the general effeminisation of the male population (just look at rec) which is caused by the popularisation of homosexuality in the media of late, which is essentially a desperate rush for everyone to come to grips with the fact that bum bandits are everyone's friend now. When its been so widely accepted for so long, that they are in fact the devil.

So, you can't really say that they haven't done any damage, because its very possible that they have. However in terms of the human race as a whole, in terms of its entire existance, I doubt that it will have very much impact.

Unless you take this particular scenario....

The united states becomes so obsessed with homosexuality that the entirety of thier northern states, (i.e all the ones that voted for kerry) becomes overrun with the gay menace. Then eventually all of the higher powers of the american armed forces becomes infected with homosexual officers. Then the inevitable invasion by the yellow hordes comes, and the american army is busy colour coding the warheads and the curtains, allowing a swift victory to the asian invading forces. Finally, the last bastion of heterosexuality in America, the rednecks, become disillusioned with the efforts of their nations defenders and come to the fight. They march to war, leaving their wives/sisters alone at home. Being almost completely mentally retarded by their inbreeding, they can only conceive one solution, they overrun a nuclear missile silo and launch a missile at the chinese. As everyone knows, this is how armageddon starts, unless you're stupid and think maybe a meteor would do it. But all god fearing people know that can't happen.

anyway, everyone should know that gay people are created by chicken flavoured two minute noodles, they can be cured only by force feeding them copious quantities of beef flavoured noodles. ahar.

You made a spelling mistake on 'thier'.

Other than that, that post was tip top.

As usual, Harb cuts through the bullshit and straight to the facts. The FACTS, dammit.

lmao, now thats good reading. :D