What CPU temperature do you get to before your computer crashes?
I am so annoyed by people telling me that my computer must freeze all the time since my CPU can run at 55dc! An Athlon T-Bird and XP will run up to around 110! Check with AMD for yourselves. I have used Celerons (Cappuccino & Coppermine) that have been running around the 100 mark just fine (running like shit but still running). I have tested my Athlon XP 1900 by turning off the fan and seeing what temp it gets to in Windows (games running in background) before it crashes (my case sides are on btw). The highest it will get to and run stable is 70 and will lockup around 73+. This is only achievable by stopping the CPU fan and could never get to this temperature with it on even with my crap case airflow! The whole airflow thing is bs and you only need an air intake and the PSU to drag it out, nothing more. If my CPU doesn’t get over 55 (CPU fan running) with crappy air flow on a 38dc day and won’t lockup until 73, why do people make such a fuss about cases with lots of fans and water-cooling?!? (w-cooling only good 4 o/clock) My Duron 900 would run happily at 67 too so my point is that if your CPU locks up at anything above 50 your heatsink isn’t on correctly and should be re-attached. If my heat-sink was on correctly I could run at around 100-110 according to AMD, but I’m more than happy with my current set-up. What temperature does your computer lockup at?
Just to help you see another point of view, people make an issue out of cooling simply because the more you can cool, the more you can overclock - and that's it.
If overclocking isn't an issue, then you're right - neither should cooling be.
There is the issue that electronic component values are only accurate when running at 25 degrees C - ie. if you run something too far above that ambient, the tolerance levels are no longer accurate. That's when wierd things start happening. Basically the perfect environment to run anything electronic is at 25 degrees with less than 30% humidity, otherwise it *may not* run the way it was designed.
Quote: Originally posted by Eater_Of_Souls: thankyou
finally someone agrees with Eater<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Sorry, EOS - not quite. Instead, I was simply justifying the **cough** ridiculous **cough** amount of fans that I am running. Overclocking is simply a hobby of mine - I love tinkering.
However, I DO think it's silly to try to squeeze an extra 200 3Dmarks out of the system (or whatever). I simply like to see how far my hardware can be pushed and still be stable, rather than trying to see how fast my games will run. That's like the tail wagging the dog, if you catch my drift (and in that, I suppose, is where you are against overclocking, EOS? In which case, reluctantly, :cool: I do agree with you.)
xaine85 The dog thing is funny, but didn’t you read the part where I said “w-cooling only good 4 o/clock”?
Flammable True about the room temp for some people and to a certain extent. I said my comp was running stable in a room at around 38 and the CPU only running at 55. So if its only at 55 and will run at 70 safely, why do I gave a rats where my computer is located?
YaKuZa Locutus 20+ hours a day = WHORE :D
MARTOK “25-30, under high load (eg: Star Trek-Armada) i think it runs at about 35-40”. That’s because you have a 0.13mu Intel Tualatin. Lol about Armada, you should have seen the Millennium Project game Locutus, Dually and I had. 512Mb RAM just isn’t good enough for that game. Neither is 768 in Dunalley’s comp. Even my HDD was reading lots with 1024! :(
Mephiston “electronic component values are only accurate when running at 25 degrees C” I have heard this too, but have you noticed when an Intel chip runs hot it becomes sluggish and an AMD keeps chugging away until it freezes?
Sorry, Odyssey - I wasn't having a go at you, just at whoever overclocks just to get higher frame rates in games - it's stupid.
But I AM a habitual overclocker, as I said to simply see how far hardware can be pushed - which in my books would include watercooling, and [Blocked image] voltage-modding....
keeping my K6-2 (overclocked) cool is not a problem, my voodoo3 on the other hand tries to cook itself. i believe that proper airflow inside your case is important, this doesn't mean the more fans the better, just as long as the air is allowed to flow in and out of the case, overheating *should* not be a problem. look at that cube thing that mac made, it doesn't have a fan in it!
I think that were looking at the wrong place. mabie it isn't the processor temp thats causing the instability issues, It could be anything - Chipset, Memmory, Devices on the PCI bus,component tolorences on the mobo? how can everyone be so sure that the CPU is the problem?
[quote]Originally posted by Odyssey: [b][b][b]512Mb RAM just isn’t good enough for that game. Neither is 768 in Dunalley’s comp. Even my HDD was reading lots with 1024! :( [/b][/quote]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah that happens sometimes in Diablo 2.. I personally blame the engine [img]smile.gif[/img] If it cant play with out having to read the hard drive during game play then the programmers arent doing a good job [img]smile.gif[/img] At least with 512 DDR [img]smile.gif[/img]
True, I have 1024DDR and it still reads lots when there are heaps of teams with a few hundred ships and stations each. Maybe its time to buy a RAM Drive, $2,000 + mem modules or a solid state for $60,000. :(
Mephiston “electronic component values are only accurate when running at 25 degrees C” I have heard this too, but have you noticed when an Intel chip runs hot it becomes sluggish and an AMD keeps chugging away until it freezes?
The whole 25 Degrees C thing is for an engineers benefit - they design the electronic device using arbitrary figures to make sure that it will theoretically work - but to do so, they need to make assumptions about the environment - 25 degrees was settled as the optimal operating temp for anything electronic
Re: the Intel vs AMD issue, it simply means that Intel design engineers decided to do something diferently with the available components than AMD did. It's not about quality of components or anything like that, its about how they decided to deal with the increased temperature output at higher clock speeds and such.
just on the note that maybe it isn't your proc....
nVidia chips are known to run hot. ie GF2 Ultras under load (not heavy load) were commonly known to run at 73 degrees +. they can take a lot i know, but you can get those shitty brands (ie Jaton) that just can't take it.
Mem, cheap mem usually = bad. spend that 10 more and get the better brands.
Hard drives. some hard drives have some serious problems concerning heat build up. if you notice the ones that run 'super quiet' because of plating and stuff are usually very hot. this can cause some problems. i had a 40GB drive die on me a while back, heat build up. (won't name brand as i don't particularly want to get into a flame with any trolls...)
so basically try checking temps of other parts of your computer.
on cpu temps:
Idle: (T-Bird 1GHz) 49 Under light load: 52 under heavy heavy load...ie Quake 3 for 9 hours...: 68 - 72
i get constant crashes however i haven't had a problem with the processor. i blame my psu, i don't think it has enough power to take it....*sigh* all my other components run cool....except for my old net card..damn realtek fried on me.. :|
My 1.4 gig Tbird sits around 55 @ idle and as high as 64 degrees at full load.. stable as a rock. Don't use it much atm though because it's in my bloody room and my room and I haven't bought a long enough piece of RJ45 yet. Using some Vantec cooler and a fan that loves to make noise.
My old Celery 300A @ 450 though.. I used to have that in a bitch of a case with a GlobalWIN FDP-32. Sitting on the floor.. running RC5. Quite often I would see the CPU temp hit 54 degrees (which is hot for that cpu) and case temp I had had at 51/52 degrees. But it still never crashed.. bloody workhorse I tell you! Built FORD tough.. I mean. woops.. :) Would idle at about 35 degrees.
My dads old K6-2 300 was only good upto about 53 degrees and then it was gone. Again this would idle at around 35 degrees.
My dads XP 1800+ sits on around 52 degrees @ idle and 62 and maybe 64 degrees at it's highest @ full load. That's using the retail AMD cooler.
Quote from Imitation: My 1.4 gig Tbird sits around 55 @ idle and as high as 64 degrees at full load.. stable as a rock. Don't use it much atm though because it's in my bloody room and my room and I haven't bought a long enough piece of RJ45 yet. Using some Vantec cooler and a fan that loves to make noise.
My old Celery 300A @ 450 though.. I used to have that in a bitch of a case with a GlobalWIN FDP-32. Sitting on the floor.. running RC5. Quite often I would see the CPU temp hit 54 degrees (which is hot for that cpu) and case temp I had had at 51/52 degrees. But it still never crashed.. bloody workhorse I tell you! Built FORD tough.. I mean. woops.. :) Would idle at about 35 degrees.
My dads old K6-2 300 was only good upto about 53 degrees and then it was gone. Again this would idle at around 35 degrees.
My dads XP 1800+ sits on around 52 degrees @ idle and 62 and maybe 64 degrees at it's highest @ full load. That's using the retail AMD cooler.
FUCK there some hot temps do u live in a really hot house?
Quote: FUCK there some hot temps do u live in a really hot house?
Nah not that hot... Just the rooms don't get much air flow so they heat up a fair bit. It's not hot enough to run a/c yet either... unless you want to freeze.. heh.
Well you would have to chuck an Intel into an oven to fuck it up. They shut the power off at 75 degrees default(i think) so unless the temp goes up by quite alot in a split second and you take off the heatsink then they probably wont die. My Cele 1.2 runs maybe 35-40 under full load with no airflow and the case is full of cables, multiple cd-roms, harddrives, VooDoo 5(airflow killer :)) and the shitty PSU would be only a matter of a few inches from the CPU)
Only heat that comes out of my case is the slightly warm breeze from the PSU :)
Although if I remember right at around 72 degrees, components in the AthlonXP processor start to get damaged, and the latest XP chips have an even lower heat tolerance. Probably wouldn't affect your performance but definitely the lifespan of the chip.
AMD said Athlons would run up to around 100 degrees. Although they also said that they would not normally get to those sorts of temperatures anyway. As I said it will crash at around 73 degrees that's with the fan disabled, it never gets to even 50 degrees with the fan on though, It was just a test to see the extremes my CPU would go to. I don't care about the lifespan. If it's going to be shortened then it'll probably be shortened from ten years to eight (oh crap noooo). I have had my XP1900 for ages and it's going to be replaced before the years end anyway so why would I give a flying fudge cake?
My AthlonXP runs about 56 degrees average, however I'm not worried.
Very true about lifespan though, the processors are expected to live quite a few years before some of the natural process of decay takes affect. Though shaving 5 years off a processor's life isn't really much overall.
56 degrees is fine. Mine used to run hotter, but then I got a Volcano7 and introduced the copper base to a fine piece of sand paper :D . Athlons run pretty stable at high temperatures and they don't chug like my Pentium III did at high temperatures when I anciently forgot to plug one of the fans in :oops: .