Quality of GU Forums.

37 public posts in this discussion.

Post 1

Lately starting to browse the Gamers-Underground forums has become a chore. A very annoying chore. You have to sift through tons of useless crap to get to the gold.

I know the moderators are very busy and they have very little time. The time when can moderate they do so with quality and plenty of leniency.

However there are people recently who have begun to really annoy the begesus out of me and post after post of meaningless, offensive or plain stupid posts. Especially when they are in the wrong forum on the wrong subject, sending most threads into a degenerative shit-flinging contest. This could just be me blammering out with a 24-hour sleep deprivation, but the forums sure ain't what they used be.

As public things go and things expand more things need to grow with it. It might be an idea for there to be a couple of extra trusted Moderators to be added to patrol these forums.

Post 2

i ahve a bit of time on my hands ill be a moderator

Post 3

Heh, I remember back when even the abuse in flame-wars was meant in jest.

I expect before long the admins will crack down on what has happened. Even in flame wars there are rules, and they need to be enforced.

Post 4

hmm, with the amount of people coming into the forums lately and the ever expansion of Gamers - Underground these things are bound to happen and i agree wholeheartedly.

enforcing of rules was fairly light and many people were let off with warnings...which they took to heart...lately that isn't the case...

anyway, there are a few people that i could think of to be mods... and i think it is a good idea.

Post 5

Yeah a few people seem to have migrated their crap from the flame forums to other forums and i dont think theyll learn any time soon either. :(

Post 6

I'm willing to volunteer as a moderator to delete the shite :D
i hate scum :x

Post 7

Hmm most people know me around here to be a sensible at cooperative member, I'll take the job of as a moderator, and try to keep things in order.

Just trying to do my part as always. :wink:

Post 8

yes I did neglect to mention that i'm irresponsible and malicious
and I don't cooperate well with scum
sif anyone going to get moderator status :lol:

Are you so sure about that.....hehehehehe

Post 9

Be asssured that the Quality we used to have on this fine board will be restored.
As Eater would say

"Let the Trolls fear the wrath of Thee"

Not only will they have to pass the wit of SlyFox and the wrath of Eater they will now have to pass by the

craZyeeeeee ONe

Post 10

err, and me.

tn1.mod

Post 11

congrats CC :)

Post 12

Yeah just after I posted that I was like
"hmr, crazy c, could have sworn he wasn't a moderator four seconds ago"
"shit"

so now go and delete every single one of milf's posts as your entrance exam
hooray

Post 13

is it just me or is milf hunter one of the worst offenders of "pond scum posting disorder"

PSPD?

Post 14

Quote from Rainwulf A'Kahnon:
is it just me or is milf hunter one of the worst offenders of "pond scum posting disorder"

PSPD?

Not just you, but maybe he thinks we need someone to replace sneakninja and juggalo

Post 15

Send his posts to /dev/null.

Send him there too.

Post 16

its a crying shame they can't just gag his ability to post - I think that would be more infuriating for him than clearing his post count.

Post 17

Or better yet allow him to write a post then when he submits it block it :)

Post 18

All he wants is to get to 1000 posts, just wait til he gets to 999 posts and then delete them all.

Post 19

make him a moderated user.

whenever he posts something, it waits in a queue till a moderator checks it, and if its ok, that post then appears in a public forum.

when i was an admin of an american forum, we had a few ppl on that moderated list haha. its great and they learnt what is good and bad.

Post 20

I have seen some people ask software/hardware questions in the appropriate sections only to have not even a single response, but as soon as they posted their software/hardware question in the general section they received many immediate replies. If you were after some immediate advice wouldn't you?

Post 21

Basically were all talking about irrelevent and nonsense posts such as the crap that spills out of Milf's mouth.

Post 22

Quote from MARTOK:
the crap that spills out of Milf's mouth.
Or the tips of his fingers :wink:

Post 23

Quote from Odyssey:
I have seen some people ask software/hardware questions in the appropriate sections only to have not even a single response, but as soon as they posted their software/hardware question in the general section they received many immediate replies. If you were after some immediate advice wouldn't you?

well i know i always browse the software/hardware forums.
i have knowledge to help someone, i will do my best.

Post 24

I've seen it before, and I'm hoping that it doesn't happen here.

Internet communities- they exist primarily because people want to be there. In this instance, the community exists because people want a place to talk about gaming and, occasionally, Darwin issues which relate to them. That's why the "General" thread is labelled "General" rather then "General Gaming".

But, then, it all goes to shit. The good users, who just want to use the forum and have fun, leave. The remainder fight, bicker, spam, cuss and flame amongst themselves- then they too leave, after a while, because it's not fun anymore. Suddenly, the place is deserted, shut down even, and no-one can say why.

GU hasn't gotten anywhere near that, yet, but we're slipping towards that direction. But why? How come this happends? Well, it all goes back to how both RL and Internet communities evolve.

In the beginning, the community is generally small- everything has to start somewhere. Everyone knows everyone else, IRL in the case of Internet communities, inside jokes pop up, events are organized, a basic pecking order is established and a Bitch is nominated (Korny?), and above all else, everyone has a great time, because everyone who's here is here with a benevolent outlook and wants to be here.

However, as the community grows and becomes popular, as more and more people come- suddenly, it is a large community, as this one is, with many many uses. Many users attract, for lack of a better word, "attention seekers". On the surface they believe that, by posting offensive posts, insulting other forum users, spamming, etc the works, but underneath it all it all falls back to insecurity. The people who post this sort of crap- and I use the term loosely to describe the above negative actions- are almost exclusively people who don't have much control in their own lives.

This leads to other negative personal traints. Generally, the 'problem posters' don't fit in very well socially, especially within their own 'circle' of friends. They are generally the 'bitch' in the social environment, but not always. They are lazy. They are destructive. They would rather destroy then create. They would much rather type 'fcuk n00b ' then 'To plant the bomb, press and hold the trigger with the bomb selected.'. They have almost certainly done this kind of stuff before, spammed forums, spammed MUD's, online games or e-mail addresses. But the source of all these problems- the reason they occur- is that they do not have much control in their lives. Examples; their father may be or have been a drunken alcoholic, leading to an early divorce in the family. They could have been born into a large family, with many siblings. They could be doing extremely poorly financially, or with their school. They may have dropped out of high school, or be experiencing serious troubles there. They could be working 9 hours a day every day in a job they hate simply so they can pay the damn rent, with no hope of promotion or advancement, and they can't quit because they live hand to mouth. They may be heavy drinkers or smokers, or be addicted to something they can't give up.

That said, those are simply examples. I know a lot of people who don't fit those stereotypes- everyone who leaves school does so for different reasons, parents divorce sometimes because it's the best for them both, people from large families are not all neglected. Yet, predominantly, this seems to be the case. Often, it's a small thing, rather then being something larger, with the large events simply being symptoms rather then causes. But never-the-less, whatever the cause, they are people who feel that they must have some kind of order and control in their lives- they resort to abusing forum users. Why? Because, when they pointlessly flame simply to fish for a reaction, they are controlling you. They want a reaction, and you are giving it to them- you are telling them that *that* they are in control of the situation now, that it is *them* calling the shots, that you simply do as *they* predict. They enjoy the rush that comes with the belief that they are in power, in control, in command. Yet, underneath it all, they know that they are simply in a worse position then they started. So they come back. They try to prove, to themselves, that THEY are in control. The flames get nastier, the spam worse, and the 'problem users' seem to multiply as impressionables observe the 'power' exercised by the 'problem users'. 'Problem users' who must control everything in their current surroundings, or else they get angry at it. Flames erupt. They get personal. Users quit in frustartion.

Suddenly, the forum is no longer a fun place anymore.

How can GU and other places avoid this? I don't know. I don't have the answer to that question. There is only ONE way that I have seen stop this kind of degredation- and that is stopping people creating accounts on the fly. That's right. You want to join GU- then you send an e-mail to, say, [email]accounts@gamersunderground.com.au[/email]. You give your preferred username, your preferred password, your RL age, your DOB, your interests gaming wise, all the relevant information, and then you wait until a moderator approves the application. Best if this takes a day or two. But why does this work? Because of two reasons. One, the people who are generally designated as 'problem players' enjoy power, as I said. When they are forced to wait- when they are not in control of the situation- they get discouraged. They move away. Two, the urge to preform this kind of immature 'crap' is generally passing, and is gone after a night's sleep. Thus, the person wakes up in the morning, has an e-mail that states their account has been activated, and often doesn't use it. This is how communities which have 500+ people online at ONCE can survive. A stringent character/user creation system, which takes time for users/characters to be created. Other then that, I see no solution. The problem is simply human nature, and there is no way to work around that.

I have a lot of pity for 'problem users', for the above reasons. Most people get angry when a problem user is presented to the community- cries of 'Ban him!' 'Kick him out!' reign, but they do not address the problem at it's source, which must be done, else there will simply be another. And another. And another. And another. Until, everyone leaves, usually to a smaller forum. Repeat process.

Agreed, some of this may seem farfetched- but if you think about it, it is true.

On a lighter note... At least I didn't claim it was all due to World War II this time. <grin>

Post 25

Quote from Wolfspirit:
I've seen it before, and I'm hoping that it doesn't happen here.

Internet communities- they exist primarily because people want to be there. In this instance, the community exists because people want a place to talk about gaming and, occasionally, Darwin issues which relate to them. That's why the "General" thread is labelled "General" rather then "General Gaming".

But, then, it all goes to shit. The good users, who just want to use the forum and have fun, leave. The remainder fight, bicker, spam, cuss and flame amongst themselves- then they too leave, after a while, because it's not fun anymore. Suddenly, the place is deserted, shut down even, and no-one can say why.

hmm that rings a bell, bloody Optus cable forums on whirlpool are like that now. I dont even bother looking there anymore cos its just ridiculous and alot of other people have left (either because they left optus when the new plans came in or their sick of all the crap). And that means that if anyone on Optus has a problem they can't seek help as their is no one there either to help or who will help

Post 26

Wolfsprint, i think in that one post, you wrote the equliant of what milf-hunter has written his entire stay.

Post 27

if you counted the actual number of individual words that milf has used, in total, i think you wrote more in your post just now blue.

Post 28

Wolf, neicely Put buddy. Although a bit long but never the less nicely put. That sort of thing will be tolerated all be it in a shortened version. But rest assured the trash that has seeped its way onto our fine community will be sifted out in a respectful manner and we will return this forum to its former glory...................

Post 29

Welcome to the moderators team Crazy man..

Now, we all know the ppl that everyone is talking about. I have warned em.

They chose to ignore me.

Sometime in the next 24 hours I will do a search of the forums for their posts..

And I will delete every one..

Subsequently, it will basically halve their post count..

Its a pain for me to do it, I assumed they werent STUPID enough to ignore my warnings. But they <-- screw it MILF isnt to smart it seems..

I have been very tolerant, assuming the novelty of forum spam would tire, but it seems it isnt..

I also moderate the CSR forums http://csradio.counter-strike.net on there, there is zero tolerance. Hell even on the server, U act like a d!<k and U get banned..

Seems I have to treat the children here with the same hard handedness..

U are all now warned. Z E R O tollerance. Dont like it ?? blame Milf..

Post 30

Will assist Mr Sly

Post 31

Okay i must now admit

There is alotta crap and its mostly comming from Milfhunter

:wink:

But then again i suppose if i don't do it someone else should ...
ohwell im going back to work gotta moew the lawn feed the bird feed the girlfriend Kick the cat then maybe get 1 hour of games in then somehow find my way to bed and find 1 hour of energy left then sleep

Bye night all :(

Post 32

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Post 33

Oh to assist in the cleaning up of the forums.

The admins have done a fine job bringing the servers up to a great standard, yet the forums have fallen to less than acceptable.

My support goes out 100% to the moderators.

Lets clean this place up and get rid of the rubbish.

Post 34

*nod nod*

should be added to some sort of Sticky at the top of the page...act like a dick, you get treated like one.

btw, do the moderators consider temporary bans of forum accounts? or even permanent bans?

just a thought, when i moderated for www.sharkyforums.com it was pretty commonly used considering the 3500+ active users....:|

Post 35

Guilty ....

I agree with all that has been said - especially Wolfspirit

As a "mature" gamer - read "old fart" ...

I am guilty of responding to various rubbish posts ... especially Milf

I find it amusing to watch some of these sad people attempting to interact with an obviously intelligent and astute group of gamers who have ( probably on a shoe string ) cobbled together this whole infrastructure - forums, game servers etc - for all to use and enjoy ... I certainly enjoy it ....

So having been around similar forums for a loooong time they tend to mimic real life and develop their own persona ... with strong leadership ( read admins/moderators ) they can and do survive ...

As in real life there is a natural coming together of like minded people to form "groups" - read GU or DGA

Now as in real life you will get people who can not/do not want to fit in or adhere to the group norm and attempt to disrupt and destabilise and generally piss evryone off - this is their perserve manner of enjoyment.

Tolerance can only go so far and as Sly has indicated 5 warnings is ample in anyones language .. I am a dad with a 14yr old son .. so have a few ideas on how to resolve issues between us ...

You need to be cruel to be kind and banning is really the final option - hopefully this will help these people modify their attitudes in group situations when they see no one responds to or is amused by their antics. If it happens enough ( banning from multiple forums/servers ) they learn and the reputation of the community spreads in a positive manner and will attract a better class of member ( like me ... ) and deter the less desiriable ...

Here ends the lesson ... and I will modify my posting behaviour ...

make them much more gooder

Post 36

i admit it to
i am guily on many occasions of responding to usless post to keep them going for my own enjoyment, in a way manipulting the author(yes sometimes i am a sick little puppy)
and sometimes, i have to admit, i do post crap.
for this i am apologising now

SORRY GUYS

Post 37

All of U are on warning, dont spam..

As it stands now, I am wasting my time deleting all of Milfs posts. And I will delete every single one ( with help ).

As much as his sh!t annoys all of you, the moderatorsa are the ones that have to remove the sh!t..

We are all very impressed with him ATM..